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    Quote Originally Posted by yeldar2097 View Post
    I don't really think it matters that much which ship one chooses to use online. It's just that, a choice.

    Feisar ain't fast (esp pre-fury) and Welly caned most people . As did wowo with his AG-SYS. As did *Insert PSN* with his *Insert Ship*.
    you must remember pre fury it was either icaras, or AGS? in the same vain as what im saying about icaras, its totally understandable why ags were so popular pre fury, icaras being the fastest, AGS (was) the best all rounder, but with a MASSIVE shield.

    Wellington was an exception to the rule, he was a badman in that feisar

    Take harimau FURY now, you said yourself its the most improved ship and all rounder, no wonder when we raced earlier 4/5 players were harimau.

    Granted, if you are good enough with whatever ship you choose, you will be competitive, but dont you think there are some ships you stand more chance of winning / improving with?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeldar2097 View Post
    Same with weps really, some choose to use them, some choose not to. I only started using weps recently. Can't really say it makes that much difference to be honest, not in the long run at least.
    That i really dont understand. How can being rocketed off the bridge on AP, or being destroyed in one hit by a plasma "not make much difference"
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkleroy View Post
    well a simple solution to the leaderboard times is to play green races at 6 or more laps. Simple....
    That sounds like the best solution to GREEN races. 6 Laps for GREEN league races/tourneys A very fair solution imo nice one Cat

    I said it before but we've hadf countless threads in WZ about unfair times on leaderboards - gotten by questionable methods. This solution does sit well with me, and our lil universe which is wipEout... 6 laps green ftw, roll it someone please

    AS for update 1.30 and before all that, I have no idea - I came late to the party, did I miss something? I think HD+Fury plays a lot like Pulse did online - cept with less DC's and its more fun with more peeps online. (Pulse servers are a haunting experience). And for me, I like the online aspect - offline i don't have the patience for unfortunately.

    Having said all that about Icaras being a paper ship - I'm no Icaras hater, I actually love the team to bits (in Flash I ususally fly Piranha or Icaras) Just wanna let that be known. AG-SYS is my baby though

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    Quote Originally Posted by osama bin haydn View Post
    Granted, if you are good enough with whatever ship you choose, you will be competitive, but dont you think there are some ships you stand more chance of winning / improving with?
    Well you were pretty competitive earlier and you were using EG-X+ which is a POS

    Personally no, I don't think ship choice makes the slightest bit of difference in the outcome of a race. Maybe if you're racing with a ship that it far removed from what you're used to, like using Triakis HD in the place of Feisar etc... then maybe it'll be a bit uncomfortable for the first few corners but that's it. If you're good enough to win a race, you can do it in any ship. In SL I suppose you do kinda want as much speed at your disposal as possible but online it really doesn't matter, it's just whatever you prefer to use.

    Greenix - Harimau
    TCK - Harimau/AG-SYS
    Kingheim - EG-X
    Haydn - Piranha/Mirage/Harimau/EG-X (loyal isn't he )
    eLhabib - Assegai/Auricom/Qirex
    Wotan - AG-SYS
    Elois - Feisar/Icaras
    Welly - Feisar
    Hellfire - Qirex
    Pirhapac - Assegai/Harimau (I think he was assagai before??)
    *Insert name of famous pilot* - *insert ship of choice*

    Not meaning to miss anyone out or get any of the ships wrong, the list could go on forever
    Point is, if you're fast, it's because you're fast, not because of your ship, that's just personal preference

    Btw originally (thanks for the reminder LeeRoy ) I think it was suggested that the Green League would be 6 or more laps anyways. From my point of view, if you choose not to use weapons that's fine. If you choose to hammer the fire button even when you don't have a weapon that's fine too. You've chosen to race that way, you don't have to, so don't go bitching when people aren't shooting you (WTF? ) or if people shoot you too much. Don't tell other people in your room not to shoot you unless it's a pre-arranged thing, and don't tell people that it's a non-absorb room if that's been pre-arranged (see Hardcore League).

    Some race to beat their PBs (and hopefully everyone else in the process), some race exclusively for the win regardless of how it happens. Either way, deal with it. It's good that we're not all the same, otherwise things get a bit boring innit

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    Haha, ACE-FLO has heard my speech about this topic before. Weapons do nothing but upset me (aside from green weapons). I'll be racing along in perfect line when I'm suddenly slowed to screeching halt by a lapped bomb or mines. Or I'll be hit by a quake then the people behind me think it's cool to kick me while I'm down and throw rockets my way while I'm still trying to recover.

    To me, winning by just blowing the other racer(s) to smithereens doesn't prove you are a great racer at all. Having to rely on weapons as a crutch to win is a serious weakness. I prefer to win by having the best lines which is why usually I'll do two races on each track if I am hosting a race. One with weapons on, and another with weapons off just to make sure that the weapons-on race was not just a fluke. I only use weapons if antagonized first, or purely in defense.

    I'll admit I aim for top times on the leaderboard with every race, but that's usually a matter of luck and getting a ton of boosts.

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    Well if you go back in the early days of HD when it was launched in September 2008 things where different, it was a smaller community, and players that played alot back then, you dont see at all only anymore. Wellington, etc. Things have changed alot for the game, since there is no new content coming out for this game in the near future like another well bloody deserved DLC pack, people have resulted to creating alot of leagues, Green League just being one of them. Still the records obtained from Green League events and similar races are like oil on top of water, it sits ontop, but its doesnt mix the the rest at all. Green League obtained records should have a records table of there own, and shouldnt be recognizes with the other records acquired in online multiplayer.

    As for Icarus, i race that ship in elite single player and some online races with the weapons on. Tracks include Anaulpha Pass, Sol2 and Moa Therma. But the default ship for Fury would have to be the Harimau hands down, its made a bloody good transformation from its but ugly look from HD to Fury, now it is a pretty awesome looking ship that is also a good all rounder. If the shields actually meant something online ill probably fall back onto Triakis for online eliminator battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unctuous View Post
    Haha, ACE-FLO has heard my speech about this topic before. Weapons do nothing but upset me ... I'll be racing along in perfect line when I'm suddenly slowed to screeching halt by a lapped bomb or mines. Or I'll be hit by a quake then the people behind me think it's cool to kick me while I'm down and throw rockets my way while I'm still trying to recover.
    Happens to everyone, not just you mate... it's the name of the game wipEout...

    Quote Originally Posted by Unctuous View Post
    To me, winning by just blowing the other racer(s) to smithereens doesn't prove you are a great racer at all. Having to rely on weapons as a crutch to win is a serious weakness.
    Weapons are not a crutch - the game billed as a "High Speed Anti-Gravity Combat Racer" - emphasis on the Combat! Use of Weapons is in the intended nature of the game, and franchise for that matter - however there are options to turn weps off for the purists out there

    Quote Originally Posted by Unctuous View Post
    I prefer to win by having the best lines which is why usually I'll do two races on each track if I am hosting a race. One with weapons on, and another with weapons off just to make sure that the weapons-on race was not just a fluke. I only use weapons if antagonized first, or purely in defense.
    A good way to race - I like that, and have been in your rooms before - mighty fun! One weps on, one weps off... I love the weps on btw. Cannon ftw lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unctuous View Post
    I'll admit I aim for top times on the leaderboard with every race, but that's usually a matter of luck and getting a ton of boosts.
    You're very fast Unc - luck is with the pick ups tho isn't it? proving my point (Use of Weapons)... everything else can be attributed to the skillset you have developed with the format

    Quote Originally Posted by KIGO1987 View Post
    ...the records obtained from Green League events and similar races are like oil on top of water, it sits ontop, but its doesnt mix the the rest at all.
    How well put is that 6 laps is all good for GREEN league though, that way the oil doesn't affect/pollute out waters
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeldar2097 View Post
    Personally no, I don't think ship choice makes the slightest bit of difference in the outcome of a race.
    If 2 yeldars were racing each other an anulpha pass with no weapons, one was Icaras, one was Gotecki, and both had 5 perfect laps, who'd have won the race? How many of you just shouted out Icaras? your saying you think it doesnt make even the smallest bit of difference, honestly?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeldar2097 View Post
    In SL I suppose you do kinda want as much speed at your disposal as possible but online it really doesn't matter, it's just whatever you prefer to use.
    Youve admitted you do kinda need icaras for TT/SL correct? So what are 'weapons off races' if not a TT with other players? Alright, i know there are other factors involved in a race, but i hope you understand the point im trying desperately to make

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    The emphasis of "High Speed Anti-Gravity Combat Racer" is what the line leads up to: racing! Getting to the finish line as fast as possible is the name of the game! Combat is just a throwaway word there that adds a little spice, but no skill

    And there's nothing pure about being BR-restricted either

    Weapons are too random say that being able to use them effectively is a skill. It's completely unfair to have one or more opponents blasting you with weapons while you're simply incapable of providing any resistance due to the fact you're getting cannons and that's it. Or being stuck in second by a hair and being unable to get any pickups for most of the lap because the guy in front is getting them all and using them to maintain that lead.

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    but thats just not true, either slow down so the pad appears, or go for the speed pads and catch up.

    You say its not a skill, yet dont posses the skills to get around your problems.

    You know peoples main problem is prolific absorbing, at least wait until your near another weapon pad so you get another

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    Well it's possible that the yeldar flying with the Goteki would win because he'd shoot into the lead at the start. Yeldar's Icaras is faster, yes, but both yeldar's have an atrocious internet connection so the Icaras-dar will have massive difficulty getting past. If he get's close he won't really be able to get his hands on any weapons so Goteki-dar will be able to BR more and shoot the crap out of the Icaras. Could happen

    TT/SL you have as many tries as you want. Weapons off races demand consistency right from the word 'GO'. Consistency is easiest to achieve using a ship you know very well i.e. whatever you use normally.
    Anyways, nobody uses weapons in weapons off races

    I love weapons (except for overpowered rockets (don't even pretend you don't agree because you're lying ), lapped people shooting me and lapping awkwardly placed bombs), they make things ever so exciting....and tactical to boot. Using them has it's advantages and it's disadvantages. It's exactly the same if you don't use them, there are pros and cons. Choose whichever set of pros and cons you like and let everyone else race with the ones they prefer.
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