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    Post Syncopia/Pure Four Time Trial Glitch

    Well, as some/many will already know, I experienced a glitch in the game on 20/02/2010 where I was allowed to play on Syncopia in Time Trial mode. I said I would explain further here, so here goes...

    I started up my PS3, loaded up WipEout and started to do some Time Trial. It was Phantom class on Tech De Ra Reverse. After a while I left the TT to try and get online for some Avalon action. As the WOHD servers were undergoing maintenance I wasn't able to sign in. The screen did not change from the 'Connecting' box. After a short while I gave up, hit the O button and went back to the menu. Now, the game remembers which track and class you were last on, so to get back to TDR rev TT I should have just kept pressing the X button on Racebox all the way from the menu to the loading screen. This is what I did, however, after selecting the track, the announcer said, "Syncopia". At first I thought I had somehow selected Zone mode by accident, but once I was there I noticed that I did not have the Zone Icaras and the HUD was the Time Trial one. Sure enough I was in Time Trial mode on Syncopia. The track was dark and surroundings a deep red/pink, similar to the Icaras's own colours. It was somewhat eerie to be there, especially knowing full well that I was the only one who had ever been there, and possibly ever will. This was amplified by the dark, desolate looking city in the background, which I wasn't even sure wasn't supposed to be there at first. I luckily had my PVR hooked up via component cable, even though I wasn't recording, as my HDMI connection has broken. So hooked it up to my PC and captured some video.

    I feel very lucky to have experienced this. I only apologise I'm not a better writer, or I would be able to convey this experience in a far more 'romantic' way.

    I know some have suggested before that the Pure Four Zone tracks should be unlocked for racing. I was unsure myself, but I can safely say this track is a lot of fun to race TT on, so I now fully support this idea. There are lots of barrel rolls available, and also obvious shortcuts. These aren't not shown in the video, but you can go straight through the 'wavy bits' on the side of the track. The actual track feels very smooth and has a great flow to it. It seems that the majority of functionality for this is already supported too. I have a ghost save file for Syncopia Phantom TT and the Pure Four tracks now appear in the Time Trial records (which I assume they didn't before).

    This makes me wonder if these tracks were initially intended to be available for play outside of Zone mode. Also, what is the city in the background? Perhaps this was going to be a normal version for racing on, with a full background like normal tracks? Or maybe it's actually the backdrop from a different track and I just don't recognise it?

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    The city skybox appears to be Las-Vegas from Amphiseum.
    I would like to be able to play these outside of Zone as well, they look really cool. Imagine Time Trial but with Zone mode effects every time you make a lap.

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    WOW.

    I was thinking the auburn color scheme looked cool, but then I saw the cityscape and moonlight reflecting off the non-zone Fury Icaras. "Romantic" is not the word. I am in love!

    Fascinating. You mentioned that background color was similar to the Icaras's. If it is the case that they are dependent, then if it ever becomes possible to reproduce the bug, it may be possible to achieve different effects based on ship choice. I'm thinking of the Assegai blue or Triakis green. However, the blue skyline and auburn depth gradient are so well-balanced chromatically, it looks like it was designed that way, as an abstract dream city called "Syncopia." Extraordinary.

    I am very curious to see what this would look like on the other tracks, like Mallovol. Rest assured I will be trying to reproduce this at the earliest opportunity.

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    Please, post a message here if any of you manage to start a TT on any of the zone tracks again! Maybe it is possible to just hit the circle-button when the game is connecting to the online servers and then just mash the x-button on the Racebox-icon... I'm at work now and can't experiment with this until I come home...

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    It's not that simple, unfortunately.

    For me, if connecting online is successful, and I exit it out and go back to racebox, it will remember the last mode I was on but not the speed class. So, for example, if I were doing an Amphiseum Phantom SL, it would remember Amphiseum and SL but it would set it to Venom. Can anyone else confirm this? It might be related. Somehow the "remember" settings are being futzed with.

    SR, did you happen to actually see the selection on Syncopia, or was still on TDR Rev and you just heard "Syncopia?"

    Also, that cityscape is NOT Las Vegas from Amphiseum. The buildings are more bunched up and the sky is clearer. You can't actually see the moon in Amphiseum because there are so many dark clouds overhead. I don't think I've seen that cityscape before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by multibodydynamics View Post
    Please, post a message here if any of you manage to start a TT on any of the zone tracks again!
    I'm getting bad vibes from that exclamation mark and eye-roll. I tried to reproduce it myself but couldn't. I told others online in the PSN chatbox at the time and they couldn't either.

    Koleax - I wasn't looking at the screen at the time, but when I heard "Syncopia" I turned around and I'm fairly sure it was still selecting TDR rev in the visuals. I definitely remember seeing the TDR symbol.

    EDIT: Koleax, I have the same as you, i.e. if I successfully connect and make it to the online menu and then go back, then it will have forgotten the speed class.
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    @SR: You now got your special-something out of WipEout as well! Like
    Asayyeah said; "A WR which can't be beaten this time : hats off ". Well,
    thanks for documenting the glitch the way you have. Hopefully someone may find
    a way to make it usable for everyone. I've found out that the section process is
    behind it's visual representation. Indeed, the selection process behaves a bit
    strange while selecting something and pressing X quickly thereafter. I did a
    ZONE run on Syncopia and immediately after the track was selected (by pressing
    X) I pressed X again and the icons of all the crafts had a lock as their
    symbols. So it seems like that the selection process can be confused at times,
    we just have to find out how to do it in a constant fashion. Imagine playing
    Syncopia online. I think it's worth to play the Pure4 under normal race
    conditions as well, but the problem is that they do not fit into the story the
    way the are shown. Someone needs to create a story around them. The Pure4 can
    also be a starting point for another racing league, a league that races in a
    much higher speed class and on tracks similar to those of the Pure4.

    About the city skybox. Either there was a plan to make the Pure4 available for
    normal racing, which might have been dropped later on, or the skybox is just a
    debugging-skybox. Anyways, the glitch actually shows that WipEout HD does
    include something that shouldn't be there. Up until now no one ever found
    anything like this, no hidden messages, no signs of the developer, no secrets,
    just nothing. I for myself scanned the skyscrapers of Metropia ... but there
    was just nothing. Millions of photos were taken but no one ever found something
    interesting even while placing the camera below the track or wherever. I think
    there must be something interesting in the game, but we weren't able to find it
    just yet. Anyways, the glitch is a good starting point to look for more.

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    I tried it today, I selected phantom but it raced on venom instead
    no syncopia though...

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    Hmm, if you select Phantom, then successfully go online (i.e. reach the online menu) and then go back to the main menu, then it will have reset to Venom. You sure that's not all that happened?

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    Kind of related... I took this this photo a few weeks ago. I can't recall the exact circumstances of how this happened... I believe I played an offline single race/zone battle then went directly to an online zone battle.

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    I think there are actually a lot of things like this related to the menu screens, particularly ship select. Sometimes when I select my ship it just shows the whole grid full of "?" icons. I'm not sure these things are really related, other than the selection screens being generally messed up a bit.

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    Saturn - want to compare some info:

    Type of audio connection used? Settings enabled? 96-24 / DTS / AAC / 5.1

    Display settings used? Full HDMI gamut? What resolution? What connector?

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