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Thread: 2.10 advert discussion, NOT a lawsuit thread.

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    We are bombarded by advertising constantly though, it was only a matter of time before it started making a regular appearance in games. Wipeout is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, it won't be long before there is product placement in other games too or even full blown adverts and so long as they make money they will continue to be used. I agree the adverts should be more appropriate though for the medium they are presented in but this is all very new and hopefully will improve as they get feedback and learn from their mistakes.

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    Indeed, and someone has to provide this feedback and be sure that the mistakes are highlighted appropriately, IMO. Because, as you say, it's only the tip of the iceberg, and it's not a pleasant iceberg to be faced with.

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    Wow, I just realized how ironic my situation is... Or perhaps it's unfortunate?

    Wipeout HD gets ads the first time around, I vow to stop playing entirely out of complete disgust. I look for another game - solely to play with the same friends who played Wipeout HD - but elsewhere.

    I get Fat Princess - turns out, I don't like it at all, and at the same time, Sony temporarily removes ads from Wipeout. I cave in to my addiction...

    So the ads are back once again, and I'm trying to tolerate them (for the record, I'm failing at it) - but the biggest slap to the face - what AD do I get over... and over.... and over... ......... Fat Princess.

    It appears that I really do suck at life.

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    I've seen adverts before Zone. Maybe you were thinking of instances where offline you select "race again" and it loads the same track and same mode again in less than two seconds. I have not seen ads during those intervals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    it is an offence against the sensibilities of anyone who appreciates the art and science of creative effort, and that, for me, is the most damning thing of all.
    Completely agreed.

    What puzzles me more is that the Wipeout franchise is (was?) unique in its artistic purity. The clean lines, smooth surfaces, pristine colors, fresh electronica, and an unpolluted utopian future are not found together in any other game. One of the games was actually titled "Pure." Yet, this game was singled out among other Sony properties for such a brazen act.

    I'd rather they slapped me. Really. Then I could shake it off and go play the game.

    Playing Wipeout HD used to help me shake off a lot of things. I considered playing it good for my soul, in the same category as walking down the lakefront or through a museum, not in the same category as watching commercial television or anything ad-supported.

    Some senior people at Studio Liverpool thought that it was not only worth contaminating this beauty, but baiting customers in order to do so. I've called them "Fat Princesses" after a particular ad they ask me to watch. I'm American and consider that a harsh insult, but to a British ear, maybe associating them with royalty gives them too much respect. Their actions were vulgar and in bad form.

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    Well said, lunar. The comment section over at the PS Blog is usually the place
    to rise one's opinion. It's clear that the core community bothers much more
    about the advert issue then anyone else. Speaking just within the boundaries of
    WOZ isn't enough, because it doesn't get noticed that much. The press took on
    the initial advert issue simply because it was a big story to post and not
    because anyone of us had a problem with it. But with the latest patch none of
    those magazine did anything similar despite the issue is much larger in its
    scope now. So if the press doesn't take on the issue, and rising one's opinions
    isn't enough, then "I think some form of general circular letter that we could
    send to Sony and advertisers would be useful, to officially register our dismay
    at this move, using our real names."
    might perhaps the best solution most can
    be satisfied with. For sure, WipEout HD is just a game, but there is a huge
    business behind. Offering someone a fault product or changing a product
    afterwards for the worse isn't accepted anywhere whether its a game, a car, or
    anything else. Up to my point of view an open letter does only serve the purpose
    of documentation, which is very important in its own, but usually leads to
    nothing. There are numerous example of this.

    But let's stop talking, let's do it, since this thread will soon be forgotten.
    And there won't be a second chance.

    I will propose the following; Someone, the most skilled English writer over
    here at WOZ who also knows how to write a proper article
    , will write a very
    sound and solid open letter addressed to SCEE / STUDIO Liverpool which will
    be sent over to them and which becomes sticky-closed within this forum. Even
    if we gain nothing, we always have a proof that we did something about it.
    I would be very satisfied if we can accomplish this.

    So I ask everyone; who is in a position to do what I've wrote in the
    subparagraph above?
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    Hi friends!

    I still dont understand if the ads were TOTALLY removed with 2.10.

    I bought the game today and i dont know if i should download the patch or leave the game as it is.

    Please throw me a bone here!

    Thanks!

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    Adverts are still present (or at least they were half an hour ago for me) and have not been removed. Adverse side effects from the 2.10 update are still being experienced. If you are able to play the game offline and enjoy it at the moment then I would suggest doing so. Hopefully once you've completed the campaigns and are ready to go online the situation might have improved.

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    Here's a really great blog entry, that will speak most of our hearts. Great comparison to legal issues with other products and a possible outlook of in game ad placement in the near future, enjoy!

    http://www.technotransition.com/2009...ion-sonys.html

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    I've seen adverts before Zone. Maybe you were thinking of instances where offline you select "race again" and it loads the same track and same mode again in less than two seconds. I have not seen ads during those intervals.
    No, no, I didn't get any Ads in separate sessions (when Zoning I always mix up 2 tracks).
    So, I'm simply lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koleax View Post
    One of the games was actually titled "Pure." Yet, this game was singled out among other Sony properties for such a brazen act.
    Woah, I really don't think you can slag on Pure for this.
    Sure, the bonus packs were heavily ad-oriented.
    But they were free, and it was completely optional to install them.
    Not only that, but it was easy to uninstall them at any later date!
    Definitely, the "Coke Packs" were brazen adware of the worst sort, but they were free additions to your game that you could get, use, get a couple laughs out of, and then remove. Overall effect: no harm done.
    That's really nothing in comparison to what they did to HD.


    Quote Originally Posted by ProblemSolver View Post
    I will propose the following; Someone, the most killed English writer over
    here at WOZ who also knows how to write a proper article
    Most killed?
    Wow, that's an interesting requirement!
    But, you're the ProblemSolver, so I'll trust your solution is good! 8 )

    I suggest opening a poll to find out who's been Contender Eliminated on WipeoutHD the most, that should find you the person you're looking for!

    8 D


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    These guys are responsible www.doublefusion.com - email them here: ads@doublefusion.com

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    Whoa, actually I never played Pure and didn't know a precedent had been set about DLC ad packs. That makes it so much worse!

    I guess that really shows the direction they're going...

    R.I.P. Wipeout

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    If i've well understood they choose wipeout HD because of it's 1080p ability.
    I don't even own a HD tv and i have to suffer those ads, lol.

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    OK, I made 2 sh&^ty quality videos with my mobile - download:
    http://www.speedyshare.com/263788256.html

    With Ad - 15sec loading time
    Without Ad - 10~11sec loading time

    So that's a proof.

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    Thanks Qjon. LOL, did you name it "loads of free porn.rar" to get more downloads? It had the opposite effect one me, I was looking for the 'actual' d/l link for ages.

    Did you take the ones with ads first or second? I noticed last night that a single race took about 17 seconds at first. After that the same track only took 13 seconds. No adverts were involved either way. So something more conclusive might be necessary as proof. Or I could have just not mentioned that part.

    I'm still fairly sure that an online game with only two or three players would now take a lot longer if an advert were involved. So if I can get a video of this I will. If only the invitation only function worked a little better. That would make things easier.

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    Im going to have to add my bit. Im aware that WipEout has always had its share of advertising in game, but its always been unobtrusive and in keeping with the games setting. However having to watch an advert before most races is absolutely doing my head in! What doesnt help is that these adverts detract from the futuristic environment the game is trying to set for itself. Rocky?!?!? Is he still alive after all these years? And Fat Princess..... My god I could do without having to watch that again!

    Whats the problem with just changing a few of the in-game billboards to something they are advertising like in WipEout of old. This is seriously putting me off playing the game at the moment.

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    I was trying to record a with-ads-loading in the first, but I was getting only no-ads-loading (which I was deleting right after), so I was quitting right after loading and trying again the same stage, then I finally got an Ad-loading, which I recorded and uploaded, and after that I made a non-ad video, which I uploaded too.
    So...
    So maybe you shouldn't mention that xD
    Anyway, Ads suck.

    LOL, did you name it "loads of free porn.rar" to get more downloads?
    That's almost my trademark on other forums ^^

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    Because of the name I got scared that your file had been replaced with something else, somehow, and I scanned it with every virus scanner I could get hold of! The video shows the loading times, but I think the best thing would be a side by side split screen comparison. If someone can record the files I can edit videos here. It doesn`t matter if the ads don`t make it hugely longer to load every time - if it is at all longer then it is no longer a loading screen, it is an advertisement screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Task View Post
    ... Most killed? ...
    Holy! xD

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    Today's breakdown: Played WO intermittently from 19:30 - 23:00 GMT

    When going online I received a message detailing the changes made regarding the 2.10 patch which I hadn't seen before.

    Offline: Started 3 SL sessions and 1 Zone session

    Online: Hosted ~10 MP races, Raced in ~25 other MP races not hosted by me, Raced in an 8 Race tourney.

    No adverts at all. Anyone else not got adverts today?

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