personally i've seen all my laps updating in the leaderboards.... with no interruption in the last weeks too...
in any case i hope SL fix it for everybody.
@leungbok: Yeah like the 2000+ zone 'record' on Anulpha Pass. There might be
a day where I'm able to do 2000 zones, in theory. xD leungbok, you seem to be
one of the best Speed Lapper around, aren't you? So I'll give you (or anyone
who is interested) four weeks to prove me wrong, to prove that all these BSB
records can be beaten without BSB or any derivatives thereof. Four weeks are
not enough? Well, then tell me how many weeks you need? But keep it a 1-digit
figure.
@DD777: Yeah let us wait a bit more.
@karsten_beoulve: The leaderboard partially updates, but it doesn't update as
a whole. Some track are fine others are not.
oh, now i undertstand, guess i was TTing in the right tracks then
No four weeks are not enough, simply because i can't play atm (too much work). But i'll have more time after christmas, and i'll give a try on bsb races. But it's possible too that guys like Pirahpac, Eric7dm, Ak-furtif or Xbarnsternx already beats those times. Kanar too is one of the best speedlapers and he can be trusted when he says that the gain for bsb is 15/20 hundreths. I don't know any top pilot who did a really perfect lap on any track, and we find new stuffs practically everyday, new brs, better lines or boost locations...
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Hope that this gets resolved in the not-too-distant future-- really frustrating for WOHD to support online leaderboards but then not have them actually updated
Really I am generally really pleased with Sony's support of the Wipeout franchise-- the exceptions being (1) the leaderboard issues; and (2) failure to release DLC to North America. I am guessing that both issues are partly out of Studio Liverpool's control.
Hopefully the developers will have the leaderboard situation resolved soon. It is kind of annoying to see personal bests on the leaderboards that I've long since beaten still up there.
For now I'll still play as I love the game and still have some things to try to accomplish without working leaderboards (finishing campaigns, Zone Zeus, Zico, etc).
Its true that bsb times are beatable. i've beat a good few of my personal bests since fury with the new ships, and a few with with hd icaras on the lower classes.. As for the top phantom times, myself personally i wont be able to better them, but the pilots that made them are certainly more than capable.
As for the leaderboards, i think its only a question of time before they are fixing. Be patient
Yes, off course if a leaderboard exists, it must works perfectly. But it's not a major motivation for me. I just want to do the best lap or race possible, that's all (i know it's the same for at least Wotan & Pirahpac), no matters the rank.
As an example i'm not satisfied with my phantom laptime on talon junction reverse despite it's a rank 1. I didn't perform all i wanted to on this attempt. At the opposite i'm very satisfied of my phantom laptime on talon forward, even if i was beaten, because i did the lap i wanted to do on this track. As for moa reverse, i succeeded on the huge shortcut, but i don't like it, so i invalidated my lap, i prefer my laptime with a boost/br on the magstrip, it was more fun and more in control !
I enjoy TT and speedlaps sessions for the speed feelings, just because wipeout is about that ! And you, what do you think guys ? Leaderboard's not the main feature in the game, no ?
Leaderboards can be a usefull clue on which times can be possible to achieve, but that's all
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IMO the Leaderboard is one specific problem currently used to pinpoint the more general annoyance of WO: Lack of communication by developers and/or publishers. Is it 'yes, we're aware of this <problem/bug> and we're going to fix it' or 'Hey, this is our proposal to <issue/community building effort> we think might help' or 'Plz give feedback on <whatever>'. Other developers (mostly 3rd party?) are really responsive on issues and eager to know what the community has in mind. Examples for me are SoldnerX w/ a dedicated forum (I play that) and I think Fat Princess (I do not play that) w/ a dev-blog.
And I'm totally aware that I (we) do not own a support contract on WipEout to get things fixed in 72 hours. On the other hand it would be so easy with so less effort to get really value out of us - for free.
Connavar`s site is for hardcore players, it is awesome for the most enthusiastic players, but it does not replace the in-game leaderboard that we are used to seeing in this generation of games. A lot of more "casual" players wouldn`t want to enter their results manually onto an external site. They wouldn`t be interested in that, but they would expect and enjoy to see their worldwide ranking if that feature is offered. That`s possibly the strongest reason why the leaderboards should work if they are going to exist at all. As PS says, if you can`t make them work then ditch them.
At the moment I`m playing car racing games and will be perfectly happy with any ranking at all, and I would expect the games` leaderboard features to work, but I would never ever enter my times on external site. I like to see my ranking but I don`t care that much. This doesn`t mean I should just say "hey ho whatever" if the leaderboards in these games are broken (which they are not) and that the developers shouldn`t have to bother if the leaderboards (an offered feature of the game) don`t work.
I don`t share the optimism of those who think something will be done. There have been constant leaderboard issues since the launch of Pulse, and they became much worse with the launch of HD a year ago now. After a while I think we probably have to let go of the idea that anything will be done, for whatever reason. Just how long can anyone keep believing a fix will happen for the various issues when there is no evidence it will happen?
I agree with Lunar that this may not happen. I'm not sure why they will suddenly take notice of Problemsolver's message on that other forum when plenty of SL members have been viewing the threads/posts on here for months. They seem to post something when they are going to fix it, i.e the BR's, the stuttering, the accounts being screwed. This has been going on for months and no mention or acknowledgement has been given yet.
Maybe by posting on an outside forum where a lot more people visit may put some pressure on them to fix it, so I hope Problemsolver's post gets them to at least confirm that it is an issue rather than this reticence of theirs.
I agree that the Global leaderboards need to be scraped if there is no fix and the personal ones need to be sorted properly, as at the moment they are screwed as well. Soon I will have five bogus times on my own personal best so I will not be able to see what my proper time is.
The best argument would be to actually beat these BSB times, and the discussion
would be over, don't you think? Well, but what happens if two or three of these
times can't be beaten at all?
My type of argument for removing BSB times is a community one. Imagine,
someone gets WipEout on BD and becomes very good at Speed Lap but doesn't
know anything about BSB. At a given point, after he has found 'the' ideal
line or whatsoever, he may wonder why those guys in the top3 have a sudden
'increase' in their times of about three tenth of a second. He may later
realize that they had used a trick which can't be used any longer. I wouldn't
be very pleased to hear that. And it's pretty useless to hunt for a record
which isn't based on the same rules.
Look, my ZONE records are for real. I don't need any tricks. I can repeat and
improve my records any time. If I had used any tricks I would always vote to
remove the given record EVEN IF I THINK I CAN BEAT THE GIVEN RECORD
WITHOUT USING THE TRICK. That's what I call fairness.
Anyways, I hope SL will have a proper solution. Last but not least, I'm not
against BSB etc., it's cool to do such tricks. But if it comes to the
leaderboard then fairness should have the highest priority.
We don't need any evidence. It's simple; SL claims to have a high profile
Q&A process. If this is true, then they have to admit that a part of the
game (the leaderboard) isn't working as expected and that they are going to
fix it. That's it. And fixing the leaderboard isn't any rocket science.
I wanted to have this thread up before, but I just waited for Sony's
announcement of 'WipEout HD Fury Coming To Blu-ray'. Contrary to our
message-board each comment on the Playstation Blog is read by an official
Sony employee. And if someone makes a serious complain about a product he
bought from Sony (WipEout HD Fury in this case) then it's good business to
give an answer to it.
've beat a good few of my personal bests since fury with the new ships, and a few with with hd icaras on the lower classes.
argument over.
I do agree with what you say PS, that its a trick not everyone knows or will ever know about. The records should be scraped and refreshed, i've said this in the bsb threads.
Zone scores are seriously messed up because there is no way of bettering them , so i see your anger against those ridiculously scores.
As Leungbok said the top speed lappers know the times can be beaten, because they have done so. This is where the clash of views are and that cant be helped.
Anyway i hope that if there isnt a fix/wipe then they should be taken out of the game and speed lap sessions should be merely used as practice for yourself(which is what they are anyway) but saying that without the boards people will never know what time are/ can be achieved , bsb free or not.
Can I get a clarification regarding BSB times. Are they beatable with the current system of delayed BSB, or without using any BSB whatsoever? ie. if the reset boost option was removed completely, would all speed lap records still be capable of being beaten? Would any?
depends on the track. vk and ub are 2 examples.
its importance does get overstated in ways though, times are still being beat.
Fairness ??? I don't see the problem if a player keeps his tricks for himself and don't share with anybody. In all sports, aces have their little secrets (particular training...). Ingenuity makes part of the skills of the bests !!
This is for my opinion about that !!
Second point :
Pirahpac (the inventor of bsb) and i, SHARED FROM THE BEGINNING THE DISCOVERY OF BSB (and lot of other tricks ) !!! So if a newcomer very good at speedlaps appears and is unable to find this place or at least to type "WIPEOUT HD speedlaps" on youtube, i can't help him !! lol.
Now people wants to know everything without searching by themselves, or succeed in things without efforts.
It sucks IMO ! How can people be proud of their achievements if they always count on others and never realises anything by themselves ?
And look, all our speedlap records are for real too !! I'll never vote for removing records obtained with skills, even if less good pilots can't perform some tricks (fortunately ), they have to train hard or give up ! A top ten world ranking deserves efforts, that's all !!
Problemsolver, That's great if you can beat your zone records anytime !
I'm unable to do it on tt/sl. I know i can improve my pb, but it may takes hours or weeks.
Can you improve too your speedlap records that easily ? You were recently working on tech de ra, no ? Atm, you must be close to 21.00, there's no bsb problems to solve there !
Just in case and for fairness, here's a link with a last lap on tdr, i used the same technique for my rank 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXAwRo-KK5Y
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I'm sure for phantom class. I don't know for the others, it's possible that bsb was used on more tracks than in phantom. But there's also more br opportunities (like shapealot on tdr reverse-venom or phaeton on anulpha venom) so it can maybe compensates. Boost/br at the start of a lap are really easier on low speedclasses than in phantom, so there's hope i believe. Maybe a specialist on lower speedclasses will gives his opinion (Xbarn, , what do you think ?) !
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I just set the #2 world record on Multiplayer Ubermall Flash (1.51.xx). I just needed to write that in this thread ... it better update!