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    discouraged me ? im just discouraged by peoples who spend 10 h by day in all class all the summer ..

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    I'm not saying it did discourage you or anyone, just if anyone is theres no need to be.

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    dont worry lol.;all here know i suck in english ( and my traductor dont use any boost .;he suck too )

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    OBH: You shouldn't have used it because it's clear from a design standpoint that the boost reset was never meant to be a way to achieve faster times. The very fact that they tried (and failed, admittedly) to remove it from the game is proof enough that you should have never even thought about using it in this way.
    However what is done is done, and now for a very big part of the game it is impossible for almost anyone but the aliens/robots (bar useless qualifications) to achieve times faster than their previous records. Thus, my suggestions to wipe the boards for Speed Lap as well as Zone (Anulpha Pass) and Single Race (Every single one because each has glitched times due to Spectator Mode.)
    The fact that I am barrel rolling off jumps has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. If you are even trying to discredit my point by saying I barrel roll or use shortcuts, you will fail. Simply because shortcuts are an acknowledged technique by SL (See "Amphi-scenic Route") and barrel rolls are an inherent part of the gameplay of WipEout HD. The boost reset stands apart, because as I've explained multiple times before, it was not designed to be used in such a way (And see that SL agrees because they have modified it).
    People will always try to be faster, yes. They should also try to use common sense once in a while. The simple fact that SL has modified the feature in order to render it harder to use should be a clear and obvious message saying: "you should stop using the boost reset to gain faster times." But people have not stop, so now where are we at: a select few are able to remain competitive due to their fast alien hands with 56 fingers each, while the rest are not doing anything.

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    +1 with Osama here. I never knew about the BSB untill just before it got removed. Now i'll know i'll never get close to some of the Speed lap times posted no matter how hard I try. Kinda unfair that it got exploited somewhat as cool at it is.

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    This seems like uncharted waters.

    There are lots of cases where there are exploitable factors in racing games. Off the top of my head...

    1. Prolonged rocket boost (PRB) in Mario Kart DS... if you get a perfect start at the race line and hit nonstop mini-turbos, you can ride across all terrain (grass, sand, etc.) with no slow down.

    2. Zig-zag mini-turbos in Mario Kart Super Circuit... if you push back and forth fast enough on the d-pad, you can charge mini-turbos by sliding in both directions rather than a single direction, as originally intended.

    3. Snaking and space-flight in F-zero GX.

    In most of these cases, competitive time trial fan sites made "split tables" for folks that did or did not want to use the exploit. This allowed folks to participate in the way they choose-- many folks play both ways.

    The difference is that now, with digital distribution, developers can repeatedly patch their games to fix potential exploits or even alter ship stats or course features. So as is the case with the B-S-B, time trials records that were set in the past may not be comparable to those set now

    Personally, I think it SUCKS to have key features of a racing game changed after its initial release. I totally understand why it makes sense from a developer/publisher/marketer perspective. But it really eliminates the "level playing field" that home consoles previously provided to gamers.

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    What was the Moa Rev shortcut or glitch? I`m interested to know that.

    Although it looks like they might need another update to really get rid of BSB if they want to, SL have done some of the work to fix some of the bugs, glitches, exploits and what they seem to see as "undesirable techniques" in the game, so it would be rational to fix the tables when that work is done, or all that work is fairly pointless. If you`re not going to sort the tables then why get rid of BSB in the first place? You might as well just let people carry on doing it. Just working on the game and not the tables is only half the job - the tables need to be about reflecting performances in the game you have, not a different and older version of it.

    Perhaps Sony think that such a small percentage of players ever get concerned about this sort of thing that it simply isn`t worth the time and money to fix it all properly.

    But I do agree with OBH about a scoreboard reset. I can`t think of any other way to get rid to get rid of undesirable results and scores that would really work. It would be unfair to some people with great times, but how could you work out a more complicated solution, getting rid of unfair times only, without it being a nightmare in the end. Who decides ultimately what should be deleted and what should not? It`s impossible.

    Also how does a reset actually work? How do you stop old times from just being uploaded again?

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    well since SL have blocked the hole I reckon it's a glitch because they're perfectly aware that shortcuts exist and I reckon that one wasn't meant to be there...

    tbh as it stands i'd rather have leaderboards that actually work as opposed to cleansed boards...this sporadic updatage is getting on my nerves...

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    Yeah first priority should be making sure they actually update. Anulpha, metropia, chenghou, sebenco both forward and reverse,dont update aswell as amp rev, modesto rev, tech rev, mallavo and either syncopia or pro tozo just wont update at all.

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    If it was considered a glitch isnt that even more of a reason to remove the times??
    It is really harsh on those who really pushed to master the technique, and I cant stress enough how impressed I am by the skills required to do them, but you just cant have record times topping a leaderboard that use a feature that no longer exists. Its like removing boosts as an item altogether yet keeping multiplayer times the same. It just doesnt work.

    @lunar
    The Moa Therma Shortcut for you mate

    @ Darkdrium777
    Theres no need to take an agressive "moral highground" on the issue mate. Dont take it so personally, Im just saying theres not much difference between boosting over half a track mid-race, and using select to earn a free barrel roll. Theres no need to to be so quick to damn those who strive to be quicker.

    As for the "Amphi-scenic Route", yes it does prove SL had shortcuts in mind, but thats the only built-in-shortcut im aware of (though correct me if im wrong), and im sure your well aware of the many more that exist. That is just one example.

    @pirahpac
    We might not have always seen eye-to-eye, but I cant help but admire the dedication mate

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    Didnt realise syncopia or pro tozo dont update at all. Thats shocking.

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