SL leaderboard post boost-select-boost

[ProblemSolver]

@guillaume: For people like "you" I wrote the disclaimer. xD I don't have to
write IMO since I've explicitly ruled out any generality by the disclaimer.
Hence, the entire post was written in 'IMO'.

... Well it's kinda directed to the BSB users, which basically is a list of specific people. ...

I'm referring to the group of BSB users, but I don't point at anyone. You may
argue that I indirectly have to point at one (you took one, Leungbok), but
that's not true, because my statements may not hold true for anyone within
this group.

... Leungbok is one of these people. He's 9 years older than you according to these forums.
I absolutely don't know the guy, but from all his posts, it doesn't feel like he has anything to prove to anyone. ...

And here is where you get lost. Nevermind.

[Darkdrium777]

I have a feeling that some wish this to turn into a clash between international/english community vs the French who "discovered" this exploit (And they didn't really discover it, it was pretty much a given to anyone with an inquisitive mind that it could be done.) Yes, that includes guillaume and pirhapac. Why?
Well pirhapac threatens to leave yet again when I believe he shouldn't take RedScar's 2 cents so personally, after all we all know why pirhapac's name is at the top and it's not because of one exploit he started using. Pirhapac, if that's what you think RedScar implied, you are wrong. He said that the BSB was an exploit of the game's design, in essence cheating this design. Now RedScar might disagree with this himself, but I don't think that because you used the BSB you should be called a cheater, I think you just made a mistake following Sony Liverpool's mistake to not fool proof the boost reset method. Then you were forced to use it because it was already too late.
Now guillaume drags Leungbok into the fray, for what purpose I don't know. I don't think it helps at all pointing people and calling out names. There is absolutely no need to make a list and point people out. Those that did use it did it so that they could still get the very important (for some) feel of the competition in the Speed Lap mode. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to because of this exploit. They used it because there was no other choice, because of a mistake of Sony Liverpool people started experimenting with it. It could have been anyone, not pirhapac who first uploaded the video.

But now this discussion shouldn't even be about "who's fault is it?", it should be "what happens now?" And I think what should happen now is a wiping of all the boards where glitches/exploits have happened (Like I said, Zone Anulpha Pass, Single Races for the vast majority and Speed Lap for wherever the boost reset exploit was used.) That is fair and unbiased action. Then, Sony Liverpool should work on a way to make this feature unexploitable like it still is now. There are many suggestions here, I have one:
Put a volume encompassing all the start line grid + a hundred meters before and after it, this volume being located all around the track and in the air at a very high altitude. Then, make it so that when you are inside this volume, it is impossible to recover your boost using the boost reset feature.
Or remove this feature outright. This second solution is easier as it doesn't require patching 24 race tracks and making us download them over all again in the patch (Thus approximating to around 1GB or more of data), but it removes convenience.

[lunar]

I think when OBH started the thread he didn`t mean to attack anyone, it was just a point of discussion of what is the best thing to do with the leaderboards. There is no need for anyone to throw the toys out of the Icaras over this issue.

I think just get rid of boost cancel would be the best option. After a mistake we can go round again like we always used to and most of us need the practice of a few extra laps. Then get rid of any other glitches then reset the affected tables. I don`t think it will ever happen though because I don`t think history suggests Sony think maintaining the tables is worthwhile.

Connavar is right that it could have been avoided if some top HD players had been consulted. I always thought the players would make the best testers.

Anyway all this assumes that the whole leaderboard issue with Speed Lap ranks at all on Sony`s give-a-toss-o-meter. Some people at SL might want to fix things, but nothing ever happens. Ever since the launch of Pulse there has been just one leaderboard correction. They have done nothing with HD despite wrecked single race time leaderboards and obvious totally cheated zone scores. The boards don`t even update properly a lot of the time. Every game since Pure has had some sort of major issue with the way records are recorded locally and online. I don`t think SL put such record keeping very high on the to do list compared to graphical stuff like ship and track decoration which I personally think is less important. Otherwise it would all work. The vast majority of people who buy the game never get near top times with BSB existing or not. I`m not sure that the activities of a handful of players who want to use BSB to beat each other, because they have to use it to remain competitive and trim off a few tenths, is really going to be a commercial concern and therefore I won`t be surprise if nothing ever happens anyway.

[jan709]

@guillaume: For people like "you" I wrote the disclaimer. xD I don't have to
write IMO since I've explicitly ruled out any generality by the disclaimer.
Hence, the entire post was written in 'IMO'.

Sorry to Bother you in this serious discussion, but what is "IMO"?
I'll hold further stupid questions to myself.

[Darkdrium777]

In My Opinion. You will also find IMHO, In My Honest Opinion.
I recommend you use Google to find it out if ever there's an abbreviation you don't know, it's good for this kind of stuff

[ProblemSolver]

With respect to D777 post:
What I don't get is why SL doesn't care about this situation and the leaderboard.
I mean WipEout HD depends soo much on speed like no other game and therefor
on time, on the clock. The clock differentiates a lot of things within WipEout, so
why don't they get it right? Where are all these coders that crank the hell out of
the PS3 but aren't able to maintain a leaderboard and fix very well known glitches?
Sure, they can't show beautiful pictures over the PS Blog, but c'mon.
BSB was the reason I never was into Speed Lap, and the Anulpha Pass glitch as
well as the messed up leaderboard drew me way from this track somehow. But
that's not to say I don't like Anulpha Pass in ZONE, but I will always have that
bad feeling when looking at the leaderboard.

[Lance]

Also, IMHO = In My Humble Opinion, which is why we have its corollaries, IMNSHO and IMNSFHO.

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Speaking of which, IMNSFHO, in this tennis game, it's Studio Liverpool's turn to serve. Arguing with each other is a waste of time and typing, since personalities do not change their type without massive damage to the frontal lobes of the brain, which generally results in non-functioning of the human involved. You're not likely to change each other's opinions.

[ProblemSolver]

@lunar: If they can't maintain a leaderboard then they should skew it
altogether. They should allow us to update out times to a different (public)
server. Would be cool if our records could be transmitted to Connavar page,
for example.

@Lance: Do you really think one tries do change each other's opinions
here? I think we're all a little bit upset coz fixing all the issues would take
nothing when compared to the effort SL had spent on other things within
WipEout HD. Hell, I would be fine with one track less if they fix all the
issues in return.

[Lance]

Problemsolver, yes, I do think that; several people have stated why they think one approach or the other, to exploit or not exploit, is or is not fair or justifiable. If they are not trying to change each other's opinions, then there is no point in arguing this to each other. The only issue remaining would be that obvious flaws should be fixed, a point on which there is probably full agreement, and which therefore is up to SL, whom are therefore the people who should be approached and convinced to fix the exploits soon.

[Constrictor]

Wow, I'm totally stunned by this 'discussion' - but it was an interesting read. And I second that, someone has to talk to SL. Who's able to do that?

btw, I think I mentioned it somewhere else here - somewhat fuzzy - before but SL and/or SCEE's communication/marketing/community/relation department sucks big time on WOHD. EOD!