WipeOut HD : IT SUCKS!!

[Hemicrania]

Now that I have your attention...(hehe)

I don't feel like this game sucks or anything. I think its brilliant in every way. But ive been reading these forums and it seems some of the diehard WipeOut fans are a bit disappointed with the whole experience, and I ask myself why? Offcourse, the online play is a bit chaotic, but thats the fun of human players in my opinion. Their reactions on actions you take is hilarious, and with the new ranking system it makes the game so much more fun. Ive heard there are some connection problems here and there, I personally never had any problems(before the last patch I did indeed, but after...everything runs so damn smooth...its a blast!!). Maybe Holland has a great network or something.

So...question is. Why do the diehard players dislike this entry so much? Pilotassist is one of the reasons, but I think it just adds more wipeout players to the field. I...uh...they will eventually turn to the traditional ways of wipeout gameplay.

Next question is...what do the new guys on the field think of the old soldiers. Is there hatred towards each other? I hope not.. cous the more the merrier.

or am I just talking out of my bum?

[yeldar2097]

I'm a new soldier and I love the fact that I can share my new found passion with other people that have been doing so with each other for ages.
2097 was the first game I ever played so I feel that I have some sort of connection with wipeout but to be honest I was crap at it. This may have been because I was only 5 years old, who knows
1.20 > 1.30

[ProblemSolver]

... I personally never had any problems(before the last patch I did indeed, but after...everything runs so damn smooth...its a blast!!). ...

Right -- personally.

Well, I tell you what. I can't go online, my account (PSN ID: ProblemSolver)
is screwed for whatever reason! And I'm not the only one with this problem.
Second, if you ever go for the top, then you might care about clean
leaderboards and also that glitches will get removed as soon as possible.
Not so with WipEout HD. This sux very hard. The game is Ace, for sure,
but the way how bugs / glitches / problems are handled is inferior.

[lunar]

I really agree with JJPAP`s post. A lot of "old soldiers" are just perfectionists looking for Wipeout perfection in their different ways. I don`t think there`s much difference between the old and the new members. Some us discovered this site sooner than others, that`s the only difference.

The game is Ace, for sure,
but the way how bugs / glitches / problems are handled is inferior.

This is a seperate point to JJPAP`s and just as true, imo. We might disagree about what perfection is, but I think we would all agree that HD is a bit broken in many ways. I`m really not at all confident that anything will ever be done about these issues and the glitched leaderboards. It seems irrational to make a great leaderboard and not maintain it, but I suppose there must be reasons.

[OBH]

I'm quite a competative soul, and to be able to enjoy wipEout online with so many other players has been excellent.

The mechanics, teams, and aesthetics of older games may have pleased me more, there may be some bugs with the current HD version that need ironing out, and the in-game record tables are no match to Connavar and co's own websites, but the banter / arranged matches / avalon + all the other races I get involved in, makes wipeoutHD the best one to date in my eyes.

[blackwiggle]

QUOTE:Without them the franchise would be dead. But you must admit, there are some grumpy old men floating around...

The ONLY reason the "Old Men" became grumpy was because the game BECAME broken and not fixed,this is despite frequent [ post's about what is wrong].

It must be a generation thing where a service is paid for and is expected to be provided,the current generation are ready to pile HD on the scrap heap [disposable ] and just wait for the next installment.

The "NO HARD COPY GENERATION".
Spend your $$ and have absolutely nothing to show for them in 10 years time.
Nothing collectible on a dead hard drive and a defunct console &/or OS.

If you think like that,well trust me ,that's the way YOUR life will go,NOBODY will give a flying Fu(k about what you do or what you have ever done,you will be cast off will total indignity,just like the things you covert now but actually don't put any value to.

Sorry to sound so "GRUMPY",but this generation can't see the brick wall it's driving it's self into at supersonic zone speed.

The only people in 10-15 years time that will have a full time job are old age carers and data recovery specialists.
Guess Stinkleroy and I are both covered.

[ProblemSolver]

... I can't go online, my account (PSN ID: ProblemSolver) is screwed for
whatever reason! ...

Problem got fixed!

[Darkdrium777]

Clicking on that link of yours logged me out. :@

[Sch@dows]

I can't go online, my account (PSN ID: ProblemSolver)
is screwed for whatever reason!

Driving license suspension for exceeding speed limit in Zone mode ... I have proof

[alterego]

Hi All.

Every morning in Italy i wake up and play wo hd and during its gamelife i noticed a lot of strange behaviour due to lag or bug.....

but

about one week ago i have noticed a different weapons distribution system and a slow velocity during game .....mainly it appears clear when you log on the server after a long session of racebox, like laptime.....

I noticed that the ships, during the session online, are slower than in racebox and have a different policy of weapon pads distribution, respect before.

Has someone else noticed this behaviour?

Read You soon
CdRom

[mic-dk]

Last nights Nordic Session was the most laggy thing I've ever experienced. It was really bad. Looks like someone took the wrench a bit to rough on the servers...

[RedScar]

I highly enjoy this part of the WO series, and I would say that most if not all the regulars that post here also do. The problem that I have with it is the small things, things that should be fixed or added that would make this unfinished diamond cut and polished to perfection. Stuff like the game freezing which happens to me everytime I play now, vista pads. I would say that most of us are just picking at small parts but we are all huge fans so we see them the most often and we know that the game can be so much more.

[stinkleroy]

I think BR's not working is a MAJOR problem. The amount of times I've lost races due to this problem are many. On a track like Ubermall where BR's are key, it's really annoying to see the guy in front of you roll, when you only hear the faint whisper of a roll that could have been..
Add this to the various lag related problems, super weapons since 1.30, the fact that your'e all trying to take the same racing line and you have a game that frankly, isn't fair or competitive anymore. I don't think anyone dislikes this game at all, I just liked 1.26 a whole lot better.

I've learned to live with the game the way it is now but don't take as much enjoyment from it.

[DawnFireDragoon]

hmmmm, i don't actually own a ps3 or HD, but do play it now and then on my housemates ps3, so i can't fairly comment on the major issues a lot of people have with the online play, however my personal opinion of HD is that it shows that a great looking wipeout can be made on the ps3, but i'm not a fan of the art direction SL took for this entry, gameplay wise, i find it fairly solid...there are some issues, but it's still wipeout.

it's a personal opinion, but one that puts it at the lower end of things, in terms of my favourite in the series.

solid game, great features, just looks too bright and shiny to make it a favourite of mine.

i'll still give my housemate some money and get him to download Fury though!!!

[Thegide]

Love this game to bits, but the Elite AI frustrates the hell out of me with their "cheapness" -- in other words special handling and physics characteristics that are not possible by human pilots. This includes being able to turbo boost around hairpin corners, even while in the air, faster recovery times from weapon hits, immunity to being shunted off the course (either by ramming or weapons), and inhuman reaction times (I'm looking at you bombs & mines).

I've noticed that BRs are bugged sometimes as well. The number of times I've failed to BR coming off the huge Chenghou drop while pressing LRLRLRLRLRLR is downright maddening, including during offline play.

It's also a shame that the leaderboards are bugged with false times and zone records.

And the number of people plagued by inability to go online is truly disheartening, especially when they have failed to fix this bug for the last 6 months even after several patches.

But yeah, still a great game.

[blackwiggle]

I think pretty much everybody loved HD ,both on and offline,but the online problems which were relatively minor originally,have become worse.

The online chat barely worked before various patches,it doesn't work at all now.

The online problems are so inconsistent as well,you can have one race and all will be fine,the next will the same host,field etc but will be laggy,vista pad strewn,none BR working,craft handling differently farce.

There lies the problem.
Is it the patches to the game that have caused this ?,PS3 system updates?,a combination of both?,SONY expecting the PSN to handle so much? [messaging,voice,chat rooms all available to be used by anybody on your friends list to contact you]

I had a strange experience with the messaging system last week,none of my friends were appearing online [I knew they were] and nobody was showing when last logged on.
I couldn't receive or send messages,but I could play online,so I did.
It was like when the game was first released,FAST,NO LAG,all weapon pads working,BR's easy to do,no ghost ships etc....I was back in HD Heaven.

Not having the messaging was bugging me after the 3rd day,then I found that if you delete any comment that you have on your Avatar the messaging will come back,which I did and things returned to normal.

So did all the problems with HD online unfortunately .

The only thing I can deduce from this is it is the PSN messaging that is somehow throttling HD online,and the more friends you have ,I suspect the bigger the possible problems

[JJPAP]

Why do the diehard players dislike this entry so much?

If "diehard" means people who have played a lot of the previous Wipeout titles, then I am not a diehard player. But starting with WO HD, I will die hard (and do almost every night)
I don´t think the "diehard" players dislike WO HD at all - I´d rather believe they indeed love Wipeout so much (including the potential of WO HD, when everything runs smoothly for everybody), that they want the game to be absolutely perfect in every way. A cry out of desperation - for perfection.

...what do the new guys on the field think of the old soldiers. Is there hatred towards each other?

Hatred? My mind is absolutely blank ... I am a relatively new guy: Why the hell should I hate The Old Soldiers? I simply don´t understand. If not for them, the aura and history surrounding Wipeout wouldn´t exist, all the splendid initiatives (as seen on WO-zone) wouldn´t exist. They are indeed a motivating factor.
Believe me, if I ever meet an old soldier around Makana Island, I´ll present him/her a gift! ........... (Shaped as a missile or a rocket)

[Hemicrania]

If "diehard" means people who have played a lot of the previous Wipeout titles, then I am not a diehard player. But starting with WO HD, I will die hard (and do almost every night)
I don´t think the "diehard" players dislike WO HD at all - I´d rather believe they indeed love Wipeout so much (including the potential of WO HD, when everything runs smoothly for everybody), that they want the game to be absolutely perfect in every way. A cry out of desperation - for perfection.


Hatred? My mind is absolutely blank ... I am a relatively new guy: Why the hell should I hate The Old Soldiers? I simply don´t understand. If not for them, the aura and history surrounding Wipeout wouldn´t exist, all the splendid initiatives (as seen on WO-zone) wouldn´t exist. They are indeed a motivating factor.
Believe me, if I ever meet an old soldier around Makana Island, I´ll present him/her a gift! ........... (Shaped as a missile or a rocket)

hatred was a bad choise of words, hehe (srry my english isnt that great)

Without them the franchise would be dead. But you must admit, there are some grumpy old men floating around...

[Mu5]

So...question is. Why do the diehard players dislike this entry so much?

I think you will find that the 'diehard' players ..

1) Respect SL, and the Wipeout Series no matter what
2) dont actually moan about the game - especially publicly
3) belive and trust SL, and that it will 'all come good' in the end

I think you will find the vast majority of people who constantly post negative comments are 'newbies' who have joined WOZ since HD was released.

[TheFrostE]

thats not true mu5. as JPAP said, the diehards are saying things because they have been around for all of the other wipeout entries and we would like to see HD shine as much as 3se or XL/2097.

ive posted negative comments plenty about HD along with many other seasoned WO vets. and im surely not a "newbie" coming into WO for the first time... 1996 my friend.

PS- SL didnt take over WipEout until after the year 2000. before then it was psygnosis.