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    I enjoy starting at the back - its the challenge and the fight that make the race worth while.

    I must be the only one who's disappointed when starting up front.

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    I don't mind starting at the back in online races - I know I've got a fighting chance - It's starting last in every race of an Elite Campaign tournament that gets my blood boiling.

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    Thanks for the responses guys

    Seems the general oppinion is that it's random allocated.
    Ironically, after a few more races yesterday, I found that as soon as I changed my ship to Mirage, I was at the very front of the race track 4 times in row!
    Either I'm just surrounded with coincidences or maybe the ship you choose has an effect on the probability of where you start.

    @Cerium - I don't know if I could bear going to one of the tanks after being spolit by Harimau's handling..
    @Yeldar - especially when it's Wellington's G45!

    As a test, over the next 12 days or so I shall use a different team each night and record the averge start location and at the end see if I can find a correlation between your ship choice and the starting grid location....

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    i think you might be onto something here greenix. this weekend did a quick stint in the old harimau and i started in 7th-8th every time.
    when i switched to auricom i was at the front 2 races in a row and several more times after that !

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    Thanks yeldar, its not just me then - phew..
    So far:

    Harimau is ALWAYS at the back
    Mirage is quite often in the top 4
    Triakis seems to appear in the 4-6 range
    Feisar has a wider scope range of 3-7
    Goteki appears in the 1-5
    AG Sys is in 3-5 range
    EGX varies from 1-3 and 7-8

    Havent tested the others yet. But would these results appear to be what everyonelse finds who uses those ships?

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    IMO it's not so random but you already figured that out.

    Slightly off-topic: Esp. for myself competing the fastest racers on planet it's 100% OK that you are placed last in the grid when the lame ones (as it turns out I am ) are in the same race. At least we could see you for one short moment when you overtake us. I'd vote for an additional start-penalty of ~4s per Phantom race ... though, most of the time it's a pleasure racing the experienced WOHD pilots.

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    Not as a bragging system - but perhaps a pilot rating depending on where they place on average. (a pilot that is consistently in the top 50 times will have a specific logo next to their name, another for a top 250, and perhaps another for a newbie with less than X races or flying time)

    I enjoy racing the slower classes a LOT against good pilots - but I don't like destroying people who are new at it. This "rating" system could prevent this from happening, and make it more enjoyable on both ends.

    I wouldn't opt for a #1 or top 10 designator, because that's where it would become showing off or bragging, and could discourage others from competing.

    Maybe designate by game completion + game time? Similar to what Fusion did.

    By the way, 4 seconds at Phantom is an E T E R N I T Y! How about a 1.4 or 2 second delay? Sit at the start line for 4 seconds and feel the sweat start to bead up!

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    I had assumed they were random. But looking back through my vids from yesterday in the Feisar I wouldn't be surprised if the ship choice has an effect.

    Feisar starting positions: 4, 6, 4, 4, 3(only 6 racers), 4, 4, 4, 4, 7, 1

    Median average: 4, Mode average: 4, Mean average: 4 (1 s.f.)

    My conclusion:
    It's random!
    Last edited by SaturnReturn; 2nd February 2009 at 05:52 PM.

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    In my experience online I have never noticed certain types of ship usually starting ahead of other types (and I've played a fair bit ).

    What I think is happening is that the game is supposed to allocate positions randomly but the process it uses is not very effective. It seems to get stuck sometimes and keep repeating itself. During avalon on Saturday we started four straight races with everyone in exactly the same position (I was stuck in 7th each time in the Goteki). Similar starting lineups often happen. Sometimes I notice that the lineup is based upon the lineup of the previous race, but it's in exactly the opposite order. On an occasion yesterday, I kept getting good starting positions in the Goteki, and as soon as I changed to the Icaras I was getting put right at the back. But I have used both these ships a lot and I know that the Goteki certainly doesn't spend it's time starting at the front, and neither the Icaras at the back.

    I think when the game gets stuck and starts repeating itself, you can get out of the loop by changing ship. It doesn't matter which ship you are changing from or changing to. Changing tracks seems to break the loop as well, but less effectively.

    The problem reminds me a little of GTA when it generates a certain type of vehicle and even if it's a very rare vehicle there are suddenly loads more of that type around you.

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    Something is definitely wrong.
    I played a 12 race tournament today and the this is the starting positions results, I got:
    1, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8 ...





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