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Thread: Is Harimau the weakest craft in the game??

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    Well we all drive the ship that we like the most, don't we? However I wouldn't go so far as saying that any of the ships are pointless, try them out long enough and you'll figure out that each of them is different.
    However, with enough practise every ship can do the exact same thing.

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    why many people say " finaly harimau seems an ag-craft now " what was wrong with previous design?
    as far i'm concerned i like very much the pure design, no i dig up more the pure design, the tail seem more elongated, wide and marked, the aerodynamic profile is better than in hd, in hd harimau is quite " fatty " from profile view and the tail seems too small and lower

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    "..the only thing that matters, the bottom line is - Acceleration (Thrust)."

    ".. I just said that its the one stat the stands out atop the rest."

    I don't see these two statements as being congruent with each other.

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    You know what? I'm actually really happy that the differences between all the ships in HD are so subtle that every ship can kick ass on the record tables. This way, everyone gets to fly their favorite craft and can still be competitive! Sure, it would be nice to have a beast like the 2097 Qirex, that is really tough to control but insanely fast when mastered. But then, nobody could be in the records with other ships. I prefer it as it stands now.

    One could argue that it makes the whole idea of having different ships at all pointless, but as was said before: variety is the spice of AG-racing.

    And to the OP: be aware that in a game like wipEout, where most of the people who are truly dedicated to it mostly stick to a team and wouldn't even change their allegiance even if their ship was inferior, it's not exactly a good idea to create a thread with a title along the lines of 'hey, isn't team so-and-so completely pointless?' - it's bound to create some very biased responses.

    There is no pointless. The more, the merrier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    "..the only thing that matters, out of the 4 attributes a craft had, the bottom line is - Acceleration (Thrust)."

    ".. I just said that its the one stat the stands out atop the rest."

    I don't see these two statements as being congruent with each other.
    Better now? I am sorry that I wasn't clear enough, but this is what I ment. And as long as I don't say specifically what I meant, please take my word for what I mean. In this case, I wasn't specific, and I'm sorry for that, will try to avoid it in the future.

    What I ment was - the attribute that stands out atop the rest is Thrust, because it is a visible thing and one that is not affected by the player.
    The difference between thrust and handling is that a player can take a handling of 60-70 and make it into a 90-100.

    Otherwise, it is all about the skin and shape (and feel). However, I don't like having a craft that doesn't stand out as much as I didn't get the point with GT having 700 cars when 500 of them never being used even though some of them look really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H3avyM3tal View Post
    What I ment was - the attribute that stands out atop the rest is Thrust, because it is a visible thing and one that is not affected by the player.
    The difference between thrust and handling is that a player can take a handling of 60-70 and make it into a 90-100.
    I would have said this was speed - like you say, the player's skill can compensate for poor handling, but if both players race perfectly then top speed will determine who wins.

    Though, thinking about it, I guess it depends on the track. On tracks where you spend a lot of time at top speed (like moa therma) then speed will be the governing statistic, while on twisty, more technical tracks (like sebenco climb), where you spend more time coming out of air-brake corners than you do flat out, thrust will be dominant. I guess it's also possible that on the even more intense tracks (sol 2 reverse), handling could become more important... hmmmm.
    I think I'm gonna sit with the opinion that the game is fairly even team-wise, and not listen to any cries of imba from sore losers (not that I've heard any such thing here).

    Quote Originally Posted by eLhabib
    You know what? I'm actually really happy that the differences between all the ships in HD are so subtle that every ship can kick ass on the record tables. This way, everyone gets to fly their favorite craft and can still be competitive!
    Couldn't agree more.

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    For me there are some reasons to say "yes" to the original question if we are asking about ships for multiplayer. Harimau`s weak thrust makes it open to more trouble on lap 1 online, I think. The other "light" ships have better acceleration which can help them get away from the lap 1 scramble. Harimau doesn`t have another "unique selling point" in performance to compensate for this, maybe, but if it feels good to someone it`s totally good enough to win races. It`s no way underpowered and uncompetitive like some Pure ships were. That`s only the reasons I haven`t considered it and maybe I`m missing out. And it looks beautiful in yellow.

    I think the top speed stat of a ship is a bigger factor in HD than Pure or Pulse. If you set a ghost on Moa Therma with a speed 7 ship, then bring out one of the big speedsters to race it, you can actually see the speed difference between the ships much more clearly than you could in similar situations in Pure and Pulse, I think.

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    I found the speed differences between ships much larger in Pure than in HD. But then maybe I don't remember so well...

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    Don't modify quotes whilst leaving them in quote format so that they say something not in the post of the person you're quoting, even if that post contains a quote of your own words. For example, my quote of a post by H3avyM3tal did not contain the words he shows in bold in his "quotation" of my post. It is no longer a quote and should not be shown as such. The use of bolding in quoting someone's else's post should only be used to highlight the words that are actually there in the quoted post, the ones you want to particularly discuss. In any argumentations, it should be clear as to what was said by whom.

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    That was my intention in bolding, but I understand. I am not the best one at explaining oneself, and it takes me a couple of posts to get the messege through.

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