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    The input is not fine IMHO. Tapping the airbrakes left-right-left, now that would be fine input. Goes off much quicker and doesn't keep you from steering in the air.

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    Double tapping a single air brake when in mid air for example. Since Air brakes act as a Air Planes rudder now. Having to "Whip the Ponies" as your main steering input for a Barrel Roll, has always seem odd to me.

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    You'd be surprised how often I need sideshift in mid-air, so I'd prefer tapping L-R-L airbrakes for BR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eLhabib View Post
    ...Tapping the airbrakes left-right-left, now that would be fine input...
    Thats Exactly the way it should be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eLhabib View Post
    You'd be surprised how often I need sideshift in mid-air, so I'd prefer tapping L-R-L airbrakes for BR...
    Thinking about it I agree. Hate the main steering for barrel rolls. Even if it was a option to change it to Air Brake would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eLhabib View Post
    The input is not fine IMHO.
    Not fine for you. This isn't about the barrel rolls. Factoring pilot ability out of the argument, there's nothing to fault them on, so if anyone can find fault, I'd like to hear about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by klax75 View Post
    . Hate the main steering for barrel rolls. Even if it was a option to change it to Air Brake would be great.
    I personally don't think so. If that were the case, it would be a smashfest for me barrel rolling into the bend on Talon's Junction White and Metropia Black. I've personally never had a need to sideshift in the air, but in the above two cases, I do need the immediate effect of mid-air airbraking to avoid being a casualty due to wall. The direction pad simply isn't sufficient in those cases.

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    Ignoring the fact that you are obviously feeling super-skilled, I think the current input method is quite restrictive:

    - it has been reported from various pilots that it does not work 100% of the time, even if input is correct and there's enough time

    - it gets in the way of steering your ship when airborne

    - even more so, it can go off accidentally when you're just correcting your trajectory

    - while it's rather easy to execute cleanly with the Dpad, it's quite messy with the analog, and no, I wont adjust myself to Dpad control now, and switching to Dpad just for the BRs is not an option

    - for someone who does not want to use the motion sensor for pitch (for whatever reason, be it because he prefers to play while lying down, and the controller would be in the wrong angle to pitch effectively with motion), it is practically impossible to pitch and BR at the same time

    Enough reasons for you? The solution to all abovementioned problems is switching the BR input (optionally) to the airbrake buttons.

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    Enough reasons for you?
    Not at the moment, because without the option of switching barrel rolls to the input one finds most comfortable, the entirety of this debate circles back to a contest pitting those that can do them against those that can't, for whatever their reasons. As an analog user, your argument is legitimate, but then it becomes a contest of does one adapt to using the direction pad to solve his problems, offer the option of remapping one's controls, or have the method of input changed entirely?

    The only half-way point in this contest is to offer the player the option of remapping his controls for that purpose as you say. That I could live with as a d-pad user who takes no issue with barrel rolls, but we need to remind ourselves that barrel rolls themselves aren't the problem. Those in your position need to make up your minds about what you want -- either you want them removed or you want an easier means of executing them given your preference for the analog stick. I could probably say one thing with some certainty -- of the nearly 2,300 members here, I know of only two people that use or have used non-Negcon analog -- yourself and Lunar, and as far as I recall, Lunar holds the same opinion on barrel rolls that you do; you're in the minority.

    I understand this about your position -- as an analog user you want to equal the playing field with respect to barrel rolls. I'm not sure how switching input to the airbrakes for those would serve to do that, because I can see there still being a disparity in the number of rolls landed using the airbrakes versus those using the d-pad. Barrel rolling d-pad users will likely succeed more frequently, causing them to come out on top in the long run. I find it hard enough to land barrel rolls on the first jump on Vineta K; I could only imagine how much more difficult it would be to do so with the airbrakes.

    But I personally think switching the barrel rolls to the airbrakes would kill off the fine mid-air control I've become used to. The direction pad simply can't cut it for the kind of last second mid-air maneuvers a hotlapper might be familar with boosting out of the Synchro loop on Talon White into the bend, or on Metropia Black, into the bend. For example. In those cases, I use the airbrakes in mid-air to avoid slamming into the walls. That's one major functional tradeoff I can think of if barrel rolls were on the airbrakes. To solve that tradeoff, track design would have to ensure there are no instances where there are sharp inclines that ultimately lead to bends like in Talon White and Metropia Black. Frankly, those tracks would not at all flow smoothly because, in my experience, the direction pad doesn't afford the hard turning response of mid-air braking and I sure as hell don't want Wipeout turning into a Mortal Kombat-style combo fest just to link a turn into a barrel roll if I elect to use the airbrake for hard mid-air turns. We must consider the repercussions of such changes, things that could conceivably alter the core gameplay for the worst.

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    here are a couple of things, besides more tracks, options yada yada:

    1. eliminator

    2. removal of the weird pause in the countdown, after playing single player, this is confusing and odd: 3,2,1......massive pause......go!

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    We have been saying this would be optional, for people that want to use the buttons not the stick to barrel roll. You prefer the current method and thats great. But why can't there be choices in control methods. Instead of my way or no way. Every points seems to be that, because you like the controls that shouldn't ever change, and that is the only way it should ever be.

    For me I've never liked Barrel Rolls at all. It's like some racing games, that have short cuts to the tracks I hate those to, since the short cut comes down to being the only way to do the track, taking away from the game for me. So if you have want to do any sort of quick laps, you have to spam barrel rolls.

    All my posts have been about the PS3 version of WipeOut and this thread is for the HD version. Why is it wrong to have multiple ways to control your craft? Sure not everyone is going to like using the air brake Left, Right Left for Barrel rolls. But the choice should be there.

    I have played several times in WOHD that I go to do a barrel roll and nothing at all happens. I quickly whip the ponies yet nothing. Then in the same practice, I do the sticks not nearly as fast and I do a barrel roll when I didn't want it to.

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