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    I don't mean for this to be a brag thread. I'm looking for genuine feedback from the community.

    I remember when I first picked up WOHD I could not even begin to fathom how I was getting beat by 10+ seconds. But I continued to race and get better determined to eventuality be a contender online.

    Now I join a game, and empty a lobby after one race. I do see some other WOHD pilots now and again, but for the most part, I see new pilots in VR. Any suggestions on cultivating interest to get better instead of quit? I feel like all the older pilots from WOHD and even 2048 are too good to encourage new pilots to want to continue playing, which doesn't bode well for the series.

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    People like winning more than they do losing.
    I think I would've given up pretty early myself if it wasn't for the community side of things ;-)

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    Yeah, but back in the WOHD days there was a strong desire to get better instead of quit. I took a 15 second loss as a challenge.

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    Are you sure that wasn't just because of the great atmosphere in the chats and stuff? (something we unfortunately don't really have anymore on PS4), people can challenge themselves on the leaderboards if they really want to, and ps+ enforces the thought of "time is money" online, so they might want to spend their online time on other games as well, instead of spending hundreds of hours trying to get better online

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    Wow dude, I forgot that it used to be free!

    Still, if people have the money for vr, one would assume they could afford psn +

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    I'm having the opposite effect, ever since the VR update I've been getting an awful lot of grief and abusive messages from low level randoms (157 messages on record and potentially more since I made my privacy settings super strict).

    Like Cipher said people hate losing, especially evident for me as people can't seem to stand the fact I fly Piranha. Apprently its super OP when I fly with it and its unfair on them, even though Piranha is one of the hardest teams to play with
    Then these people start talking to others to gang up on me with weapons until I leave the lobby, and then send me messages saying "Git gud noob, ragequitter lol". Its a war I can't win with these hypocrites.

    I've just given up and retired for now until I feel like returning in hopes people will mature.

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    I kind of fear that these younger gamers just have a bad attitude. I started maining Tigron now, and I get the same thing with the hate. I feel you though, because I played a substantial amount of Piranha and Icaras first. On average, I win by 8-10 seconds (less when I miss a turbo roll or shortcut. So it is well within the realm of beatable with enough skill. I'm saying that those times should inspire, not enrage. I used to suck. Now I'm pretty damn good. I got that way because it pissed me off when I lost and I wanted to do something about it. And I did.

    With 2048 though, I almost always go with Feisar Prototype. Those races aren't even close. On Capitol Reach and Subway specifically, I'll lap people or win by 25+ seconds. I get called a cheater, that I use glitches, and that I should stop playing unfair. I mean, come on people, use the right ship. Feisar Prototype is totally broken on those tracks. Honestly though I sucked on the Vita. VR makes it so much easier on the console.

    Anyways, I sincerely hope that people will be more encouraged to not quit. Maybe we need a get together event?

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    Last time I wanted to play online I waited for more than 20 minutes to even find a game that more or less suits me. I think I went back to offline races then, as there were simply no games. There’re mostly Flash or Rapier races but no Phantom or A/A+ – and I’m almost exclusively interested in the latter. So no luck for me. The times I do find the races I long for, it’s often me and just a single other player, which indeed can be a tad demotivating, for both the winner and the loser.

    I have to say, though, those times you have the patience to get a game’s lobby filled up (yeah, you should invest an hour or more for that to happen) things become entertaining. There’re the pros on top fighting for the first place, the midfield and the less skilled and everybody has its contest. This is usually the moment I try search for the player’s ID to add him to the friends list – those players that are similar skilled to oneself are a rare breed!

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    When Sony removed the rule that unlike PS3 games, the 'Players Met' feature was not needed to be included on PS4 games, it also removed one of the main assets that actually kept HD/FURY online going for so long.
    This was a decision probably made in the mistaken belief that PS4 system features like 'Communities' and 'Following players' among other things, were suitable replacements.....they weren't.

    The ability to go back in your recent online gaming history and see in the Players Met list of all the people you had raced against was a real asset, especially if you raced in predominantly one race speed and type, it made it very easy to find like minded people that you could message saying things like 'Great Race' or 'Close race' etc, that broke the ice, and it was easy to talk about racing again, or telling them about the Wipeoutzone, which I think a lot of people found out about via this method.

    It also helped when you ran across a player with a user name that otherwise was so obscure and strange that it would basically would have been impossible to remember, which is the situation you have now.

    Online is a whole new generation playing, they don't know the history of the game,they have no idea about the unwritten etiquette of wipeout pilots, the "Let's be Friends" motto that the previous generation has lived by.
    They also don't have the attention span needed to get good at the game, I also suspect most of the newbies have no idea of where all the alternate routes are on the 2048 tracks, or the short cuts on the HD/Fury tracks, so subsequently when they run across somebody that does and they kick their butts, their reaction is obviously going to be a negative one with the predominant calls of 'Cheat' or 'Glitch user' ....ignorance will do that.

    My suggestion to those suffering that abuse is to rise above it and educate them, have the key words Wipeoutzone.com scripted on your PS4's keyboard, so it comes up straight away when you begin to type it, and just start sending a standard reply when you receive such abuse of "Learn the game, see the wipeoutzone.com on tips and tricks", I think you might be pleasantly surprised on how quickly it might turn people around, well those who aren't totally moronic at least.

    If given encouragement they will challenge themselves to get better, and the pool of elite pilots will swell, and you'll have more people staying in your rooms to race against you.

    I'm afraid it's the only way your going to do it, and it going to take time.

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    It's the Quake syndrome. New players getting matched up with seasoned veterans, eating dust, then leaving. Most people choose not to get better nowadays, either because they don't have the time for it, don't have the skills, or just don't want to go through the effort. Games that run on raw skill aren't that popular anymore.
    Last edited by T-301; 9th July 2018 at 06:36 PM.

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