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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfire_WZ View Post
    I will be trying to put together something over the next month just to test the waters. XDEV have already told me they will help publicise any large scale community events that will be running so exposure won't be an issue Any and all ideas for a format are welcome!
    Let me know if you need some ideas. I've posted a couple. I also would like to handle some of the marketing efforts graphics-wise or official soundtrack-esque, like what has been done in the past (there was a track list for Equilibrium and a youtube link so people could tune in to the same song list which I thought was kind of cool).

    Are themed tournaments still viable? Or does this need to be more of a free for all just race type of thing?

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    I think you're thinking too hard about this mate. Any idea is viable if people like it and want to get involved

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    I would suggest that it isn't something team based. That puts a lot of pressure on all team members to turn up for the tournament to work. However, I do like theidea of something that may put newer players on equal footing with more experienced ones. I don't want to launch something that would only be seen as something that could be won by the elite.

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    Maybe separate league for younger (under 18 or so) pilots? The age would be the only fair criteria by which we could divide players (It would also indicate experience level at some rate, more or less).

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    2 omega cups? one for newer and one for the elite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo View Post
    Maybe separate league for younger (under 18 or so) pilots? The age would be the only fair criteria by which we could divide players (It would also indicate experience level at some rate, more or less).
    Tell that to Yeldar back when he set all his WR's. Age is definitely not a determining factor in skill. I consider myself pretty good, and your train of thought would seem to definitely apply here, because I've played and owned each title.

    However the truth is that I just know the game physics because I've played it before. I think a better criteria would be something like "who has played in the past" and "who is fairly new to this." I can't race well on the original anymore. I know because I tried it yesterday. It was not a heartwarming experience. But I remember being around 10 maybe, when the first WO came out, and I recall beating the whole thing on both speeds in just under an hour or so. I would argue I was waaaaaaay better at it back then, but then again, it had different physics than what I'm used to now and it takes time to adjust.

    I am not so good at 2048, despite having it on the Vita. Once again, age doesn't have anything to do with it because I was ironically far better at it on the Vita with what I would argue are inferior controls.

    I am glad to see younger pilots here though. That was actually kind of where I was going with the Generations idea, only it wasn't age, but familiarity that would have come into play. Hell, I can tell my reflexes are worse than they were 5 years ago, and I'm under 35. Also, there is no way to move into a different tier of pilot if age is the restriction. Saying "pros only" means anyone can join, but expect the competition to be fierce. If you aren't pro enough, it will certainly show. But restricting the already somewhat small community on things a pilot has no control over doesn't really do the community much good. Also, if I ever stop playing (and I won't) I'd like to pass the torch to people I've raced with before for their skill. Besides, you can learn a lot from the older pilots. Fun story, m first race was a full lobby that had Kalidescopic1er (can't remember how to spell that). Anyways, I lost by about 10 seconds (which was a little disheartening because I thought I was good at this having just beat the campaigns). I learned my lesson that there was elite difficulty and then there was "online elite difficulty." Anyways I got a PM asking me to join a race with a silver ship. I was like "why would I do that? Doesn't everyone fly silver?" After that race I got bling brigade. Easy Peasy. No planning required. Later you learn the intricacies of each track by, guess again, the pros (and youtube)!

    The only exception to this is Drunken Master, which legally you would not qualify for! But trust me, Drunken Master races are easy to win if you cheat by being sober I guess we could do team drunk vs team sober. That might be fun. I stop barrel rolling and start "bllrarel rolng" off of the track and such. My only motivation to finish 1st is that I have more time to drink in between races!

    And about my tournament idea, since teams are harder to do (Quakes anyone? Bombs? Mines? oops?), maybe the team idea would fare better in Pure Racing, which to me is just multiplayer Time Trials (and is awesome).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfire_WZ View Post
    Any and all ideas for a format are welcome!
    Just a classic and simple tournament with heats, semi finals and a final.

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    Personally, I think a grand tournament is better once the game has been out a few months? Plenty of players are still finding their feet, practicing, solely playing racebox etc.

    Competitions where you enter as an individual are far easier to manage. Especially if it's a 1vs1 format, or players can simply 'drop-in and drop-out' of a lobby. It's no small feat trying to get players from all over the world in the same lobby, at the same time.

    I made a 'winner stays on' suggestion where the challenger could pick the speed, track etc. Then even a complete newbie could compete in an event where they feel most comfortable. It doesnt have to be this obviously! But it's just an example where all you need are 2 players, 1 race, and thats it. No organisation needed at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannjon View Post
    Tell that to Yeldar back when he set all his WR's. Age is definitely not a determining factor in skill. I consider myself pretty good, and your train of thought would seem to definitely apply here, because I've played and owned each title.

    However the truth is that I just know the game physics because I've played it before. I think a better criteria would be something like "who has played in the past" and "who is fairly new to this." I can't race well on the original anymore. I know because I tried it yesterday. It was not a heartwarming experience. But I remember being around 10 maybe, when the first WO came out, and I recall beating the whole thing on both speeds in just under an hour or so. I would argue I was waaaaaaay better at it back then, but then again, it had different physics than what I'm used to now and it takes time to adjust.

    I am not so good at 2048, despite having it on the Vita. Once again, age doesn't have anything to do with it because I was ironically far better at it on the Vita with what I would argue are inferior controls.

    I am glad to see younger pilots here though. That was actually kind of where I was going with the Generations idea, only it wasn't age, but familiarity that would have come into play. Hell, I can tell my reflexes are worse than they were 5 years ago, and I'm under 35. Also, there is no way to move into a different tier of pilot if age is the restriction. Saying "pros only" means anyone can join, but expect the competition to be fierce. If you aren't pro enough, it will certainly show. But restricting the already somewhat small community on things a pilot has no control over doesn't really do the community much good. Also, if I ever stop playing (and I won't) I'd like to pass the torch to people I've raced with before for their skill. Besides, you can learn a lot from the older pilots. Fun story, m first race was a full lobby that had Kalidescopic1er (can't remember how to spell that). Anyways, I lost by about 10 seconds (which was a little disheartening because I thought I was good at this having just beat the campaigns). I learned my lesson that there was elite difficulty and then there was "online elite difficulty." Anyways I got a PM asking me to join a race with a silver ship. I was like "why would I do that? Doesn't everyone fly silver?" After that race I got bling brigade. Easy Peasy. No planning required. Later you learn the intricacies of each track by, guess again, the pros (and youtube)!

    The only exception to this is Drunken Master, which legally you would not qualify for! But trust me, Drunken Master races are easy to win if you cheat by being sober I guess we could do team drunk vs team sober. That might be fun. I stop barrel rolling and start "bllrarel rolng" off of the track and such. My only motivation to finish 1st is that I have more time to drink in between races!

    And about my tournament idea, since teams are harder to do (Quakes anyone? Bombs? Mines? oops?), maybe the team idea would fare better in Pure Racing, which to me is just multiplayer Time Trials (and is awesome).

    Of course age doesn't determine anything. What I meant is that there would be no other way to divide players by "experience". How would you verify, if someone played WipEout before? Also, "junior" league would promote the game among the younger pilots; also making their own effort into community, making new-gen of speedfreaks.

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    It would be far easier to verify experience because that is something we can all see and confirm/deny ourselves. You could look for previously earned trophies on past games, posted lap record times or similar criteria. It would be far harder to verify that someone is within a certain age range. You'd have to get Id's or something or base it on trust. If someone claims they have played before, anyone can verify that statement by a quick trophy lookup. The likelihood of someone owning HD/Fury or 2048 and NOT having earned a single trophy is incredibly unlikely. I can't look up your age though. You can post whatever you like to the thread about pilot ages, but the only way to verify that is to see an id, which is not safe. That and you could just show someone else's id and no one would know. Your method is impossible to verify.

    The idea of any prohibitive league based on uncontrollable factors is not a good idea no matter how you look at it. If I post a tournament for people that like to Pure Race, anyone can join and if you don't fancy weapons, you enter at your own risk. If you post a 18 and under tournament, limiting entry just ensures that no one will participate and it will be off putting to all the people that have played and bought these games since before you were born. Presently, there are only 11 pilots 18 or younger according to the pilot age thread. You might could get everyone interested and have enough for a fully lobby, but that is highly unlikely in my past experience.

    Go for it if that is what you like, but trust me. Having played this game a loooooong time, you'll likely have a difficult time rounding up enough interest or people to play that wouldn't just prefer to play in a larger scale open tournament type of thing and I don't recall anyone attempting to have a restrictive league like this before (I could be wrong). It just doesn't vibe with a community feeling imo.
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