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Thread: Guys, get your hopes up, Nick Burcombe talks about crowdfunding interest for a new WipEout game!

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    Default Guys, get your hopes up, Nick Burcombe talks about crowdfunding interest for a new WipEout game!

    http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/wipeo...er-one/0166587

    The co-creator of Wipeout Nick Burcombe has said he would make another entry in the sci-fi racing franchise, if Sony would let him.

    Wipeout, developed by Psygnosis, was released in 1995 as a launch title for the PlayStation. The most recent game in the series was released in January 2012.

    When asked by MCV whether he would be interested in making a spiritual successor, he said he could do it but hed want the Wipeout brand.

    If [my latest project] Table Top Racing is successful, I know I can put a team together for it as I get asked every week if were making a new Wipeout, Burcombe said.

    But Id have to make that PR story work on a Kickstarter level. Youd have to find out if theres an audience for it first. Id be looking at a proper undertaking on this and make it so that players can create their own tracks and really reinvent the whole thing.

    If theres demand there, wed love to meet it. But as it stands right now, without the Wipeout brand on it which I doubt Sony is about to relinquish anytime soon its kind of out of the question without Sonys blessing.
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    Okay, so, as Nick said, it's highly unlikely Sony would relinquish its WipEout IP or "lease" it to anyone.

    But that's not the point here. What needs to be done is to spark people's interest. If VR takes off, you can bet Sony will bring WO back.

    I hope Nick acts on it and makes some noise around our beloved franchise. By the way Nick, feel free to pitch in here

    As for my opinion on the matter, I'll just say this: FINALLY someone who understands that there is no spiritual successor to WO. You need WipEout to make a WipEout game. Anything else is a waste of time and ressources, not because it's bad, but because no one will buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdHoc View Post
    As for my opinion on the matter, I'll just say this: FINALLY someone who understands that there is no spiritual successor to WO. You need WipEout to make a WipEout game. Anything else is a waste of time and ressources, not because it's bad, but because no one will buy it.
    Good that Ballistic NG is free, then, huh? And a waste of time? I think not! It's efforts like BNG, SSGX, and FF that could get a new WipEout going in the first place! (Sooner or later, I'll buy you SSGX and BNG devs a beer. That's a promise!)

    THAT SAID:
    If a Kickstarter comes up for a new WipEout game, I sure as HELL won't miss it like I did for the Formula Fusion Kickstarter campaign! That'd be a day one donation, easy.

    The biggest thing we, as fans, would need to do, besides our own donations, would be to make sure the gaming press got word of this, and actually said something about it.

    In any case, I'm in!

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    You would have to hope independent games like the ones you cite or even bigger productions like Fast Racing Neo must make a difference. Alas, we just don't know that for sure. And it certainly doesn't do so on the greater picture. They're not a means to an end.

    This is why having high-profile people like Nick Burcombe making waves is possibly our best chance at triggering a reaction with those high placed at Sony. Actually, who knows, people working on SSGX or BNG could join Burcombe's party one day and develop the next WipEout with an added fan's perspective.
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    I think the biggest problem apart from Sony not looking like making any new wipeout for the foreseeable future, or selling or leasing the IP out for a new game, is unless some new AG racer comes along and blows everybody away with just how amazing it is, all the Wipeout similar games that are coming out now are likely to be a niche product, catering for those that already know about the pleasures of AG racing, and not have anything near the impact like a new Wipeout would have.

    You need the big name of Wipeout, and the advertising budget that can be afforded to go with it to really get the genre back in the public's eye and gamer's minds, like it was back from 1995 to 1999 [original WO, 2097 & WO3 ]

    I think that was part of the reason WOHD didn't really take off as much as it should, as it was only a download originally, and the disc version didn't come out till around 18 months afterwards, and then only in certain regions, and in a small print run.

    Whenever a new Wipeout does appear [I have no doubt that one will eventually] it will need to be for a full console like the PS4, it should be released on multiple platforms to be honest, but I can't see Sony doing that, and it needs to be released on a disc, if only so people see it in the shops [preferably have the game install onto the consoles HD for faster access - HD disc version suffered problems because it had to be read off the disc ]

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    @blackwiggle

    I agree with everything you've said here.

    Being a fan here in the 'States, WipEout's marketing always confused me. They never really marketed it here, even in its heyday, the marketing here wasn't anywhere near as strong here. So fewer people heard about it. And fewer copies were sold. So when the next game comes out, they give advertising it even less consideration. Rinse, lather, repeat.

    Self-fulfilling prophecy?

    I'd really like to see WipEout FuturE (hey, I've gotta call it something) marketed well on a global scale.
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    A few other thoughts on WipEout FuturE:

    I think Sony always saw WipEout as a showcase for its latest technology. But that hasn't always been a good thing.
    Sure, we got things like the first DLC for a PSP game in PurE, MP3 music, custom ship skins in PulsE and amazing graphics in HD/Fury.
    But it also meant we got things like touchscreen and motion controls in 2048 at the expense of things like Racebox.
    WipEout FuturE will need to focus on GOOD TECHNOLOGY (pun intended!), and eschew gimicky things that will only get in the way player enjoyment. (Incidentally, I have yet to win a race using motion controls. Even Moa Therma on Venom!)

    Games like Super Mario Maker, Trackmania, and our own BNG are showing the power in community-driven content, and this is something WipEout FuturE needs to embrace. I think Nick Burcombe understands this, and I could happily put faith in his leadership on this project.

    And I agree with the argument that WipEout FuturE needs to be multi-platform. An argument could be made that Sony would try to use WipEout to sell consoles and PSVR gear. But, just as online game networks are starting to open up, Sony should realize that by selling WipEout FuturE on more systems, it just opens up more avenues for sales! And given how similar the PS4 and XBONE are architecturally, porting it to other consoles shouldn't be a massive task. Porting it to PC should be pretty straight forward as well. Hell, Sony could use WipEout to tout cross-platform play!

    Ok, ok. I'm rambling. I'll leave it at this and let you all chime in about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackwiggle View Post
    ....is unless some new AG racer comes along and blows everybody away with just how amazing it is, all the Wipeout similar games that are coming out now are likely to be a niche product, catering for those that already know about the pleasures of AG racing, and not have anything near the impact like a new Wipeout would have.
    I do agree with this, I think it's always going to be an unbreakable barrier in making AG racers. No matter what you do, your game will always either look/play like Wipeout or F-zero, and there's even a bigger problem, Wipeout and F-zero were inspired by even older AG/flying racing games (powerdrome for example). In terms of design choices you will have to be either amazingly original or do something so crazy outlandish it'll actually work (kinda like what Formula Fusion did at first with their F-1 shaped ships). We're almost always bounded by our muses and the work done before us.

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    Re: multiplatforming, the problem is that it costs a LOT of money. After having shut down SL and declared the racing genre not as profitable anymore, I don't see it happening.

    The new WipEout needs to be a flagship for something. WHD was for HD graphics on PS3, could it be for something else on PS4?

    Ahh, it's tough... I'd really love to have Nick's input on this thread.

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    If for any platform, a new WipEout should be on the PC rather than the PS4.

    Consoles are somewhat of a dying trend now, with the majority of gaming shifting towards PC for the more "hardcore" games/genres and mobile for the more "casual" games/genres (for lack of better terms). If they're looking for a financial success, I'd honestly release the game on PC through Steam, which would also help it gain some attention. (i.e. "What's this WipEout game? Looks pretty cool, might try it.")

    I haven't even bought an eighth generation console (Wii U, PS4 or Xbox One) because I simply cannot justify the expense anymore when I have a more than capable PC that can play a vast variety of games. While WipEout is most certainly my favourite racing game, I am not buying a PS4 just to play a new entry to the series.

    EDIT: Of course, that being said, if a new WipEout entry is to be made, it will most certainly be released on the PS4 or Vita primarily.
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    The biggest problem Wipeout has ever had, is that it that was bought by SONY.

    You have to ask yourself, when reviewing the history of Wipeout, was it a good or bad thing that Sony called the shots?

    There are basically two positions one can take.

    If Wipeout was kept a standalone Psygnosis product, would it have been developed as much as it further was without the money Sony injected back then ...you have to remember the original wipeout was a PSone/PC only product.

    As is well known Sony used the Wipeout IP as a launch title for any new products that it was flogging, rather than trying to support the AG racing genre , or supporting the AG racing fans.... WO Fusion was the last true console version...this was the beginning of the end to be honest, as Wipeout became a handhold console only product for many years, which left it's previous core household console/ PC fans out in the cold.

    Result is/was....Wipeout is now only known by a certain age group, and basically only on a Sony product

    To make the most of the WIPEOUT name, it NEEDS it's to either be sold back to it's originator [Nick] or have any new reincarnation by Sony, headed by NICK, and his chosen crew.

    This sort of discussion has been going on for years at this forum...... if you have the time, and inclination, and as a forum member, and depending on your searching prowess , you can find the answers to why things happened, when and by who.

    If you are a forum member, you have access to the "Community" button at the header page, this will allow you to search out each and every forum member, and all their history of posts [Unless they have been banned - then ask me or a MOD for specifics ]

    Look in your old PSone/ PS2/PSP Wipeout game covers for names of those that made the games....you will find a lot of them here, use the community name search to find posts by those people

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    Despite its unlikely return there is still a niche in the market as nothing has ever replaced Wipeout (at least on console). Distance on the PC is the one I have most hope for, but its still in early access.

    If they wanted to do it enough it could be done.

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