The Wipeout HD Cup

[Frailavi]

DP is still first in my heart!

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[Challenger #001]

I wish the best of luck to all the final competitors personally. I'd like to see Tiduch win as a Zone Battle Enthusiast, but I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to see a final made up of one of every mode. ^^

[Mr Phlanj]

damn after woop went out DP you were my fave to win but unlucky mate hope you had fun

im actualy glad to see these guys make it to the semi finals i was worried that it was going to end up with the big phantom players and to be truthful i would have stopped following he cup if it had, its good to see some big suprises right at the end

[yeldar2097]

You guys are priceless

[kanar]

Priceless is teh word. JF I'm your first fan, hope you know that. I'm a fan of any pilot who pulled hundreds of hours (I know it's a bit more for you eh eh, just like me) into this game anyway, who pushed the limits (in any game modes) further. Tbh it's just a question of gaming time I mean if I could I'd love to spend more time into other modes/classes. But I'm reserving these few hours of gaming to my "dreamworld". This cup celebrates all our gameplay differences, that was our goal right from the start & as we said we have a crackin' fantastic four.

Deadline for the semis is July 31, 23:59 GMT, as usual we would like to see you in action for real so even if you just have a crappy smthing to record that, PLEASE JUST DO IT.

[JABBERJAW]

All I mentioned was that kanar, could choose the tracks, but with a hard phantom track as race 7, that is it. I was thinking one race at each speed class and the other modes.

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That being said, Bazzman won fair and square in the rules of the tourney. Also, kanar didn't say that that 7th track would be the deciding factor at every round. He also didn't say that each player would ALWAYS choose the tracks. If he chooses the final 7 races, it is 100% fair, then a zone battle, then a eliminator mode or something like that. He could pick race 7 out of a hat.

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[amplificated]

If rapier/flash/venom races require as much skills as phantom, why didn't any of the WIPEOUT HD CUP slow classes pilots CHOSEN NO WEAPON RACES ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmpIific...ature=mhee#p/p

playlists of my hd cup races. All my choices were venom, and all but 2 green races are weapons off. I didn't drop a single of my choices... pure luck, eh.

If you make a single mistake on Venom, you'll lose if you're playing someone competent, luckily for me, there are only about 10-15 players in the world I'd consider competent at the class.

Also, before Saturn edited it out, you wrote most people say Phantom is harder - and it is, no doubt. However, the number of people that master Phantom is about zero, and even though I'd consider myself terrible at it; practically all of my Phantom SL times are just a fraction of a second off the #1 time.
Venom times can be separated by seconds between the #1 and #10, which indicates that skill is more necessary to win - if you can't nail a lap on Venom, you'll be left way behind; whereas Phantom almost purely relies on the player being consistent, not necessarily more skilled.
Sorry, Saturn.

[leungbok]

Ok ok, a few did played slow classes without weapons for the cup, it is totally at their credit !
About the difference of gap between top times on slow classes and phantom. It's not only a matter of consistency ! Try my boost BR on modesto fwd at venom speed and try it on phantom, like the triple BR on the left hander of chengou fwd. You just only have one millisecond to adjust your ship for the next trick, no place to rest on the whole lap, like it is on venom or flash. Speed on phantom makes all the track harder to race, not only the hard tricks and advanced BRs, you can lose a pb just by scratching a wall or taking a turn too wide, because as you said you compete for tenths or hundreths. Not finding a trick (off course a difficult one, no doubts about it) or BRs that will allows you to gain 1 second or more on your previous time at slow classes. I still maintain that phantom is harder, and i have a few good sl/tt's ranks on all classes (some top 10) despite i didn't spent lot of time on it.

That said, i repeat that the future winner of the cup will be the best, any speed class he may have chosen. The one with good lines, knowing the tricks, a good strategy and maybe some luck if weapons are involved (but it's full part of the sport) !
And yes, definitively, as Kanar said, videos are now required, we must see the champ on his final line !!

[kanar]

I heard you Jabberjaw, & tbh I totally agree wth you. But fact is I would consider changing the rules now a bit unfair for our fantastic four. SaturnReturn wrote an incredible rules & regulations for this cup here, so let's keep it 'til the end. As it's said in this document, race 7 can be negociated between the 2 pilots if they want. Default settings (i.e no more than twice the same mode -single race weap, no weap or ZB-) are here just in case of broken down negociations.

Now about the endless debate lol. Ampli as you said, and that was our point : phantom is harder, period. We didn't imply more. And yes I'm not mastering it after more than 1500 hours lol, but I'm improving, days after days. Ayrton Senna began wth a kart, & died on a phantom track. That's just my own feeling, no more. Now we're all different, hopefully. And this diversity is what we wanted to show in this cup. Mission accomplished.

Now please let me quote myself cos' I have not so much time to spend here, sadly...

"This cup celebrates all our gameplay differences"

[AspenExcel]

Just deleted a bunch of posts. This isn't the place for "phantom vs. venom" discussion, guys. Let's keep it about the Cup!

[Dark_Phantom_89]

Here are the videos of my match with Bazzman:

Race 1 - Chenghou Project Reverse, Phantom, Weps Off, 5 Laps

Race 2 - Sebenco Climb Forward, Phantom, Weps Off, 8 Laps

Race 3 - Vineta K Reverse, Phantom, Weps Off, 10 Laps

Race 4 - The Amphiseum Reverse, Flash, Weps Off, 4 Laps

Race 5 - Tech De Ra Reverse, Flash, Weps Off, 4 Laps

Race 6 - Talon's Junction Reverse, Flash, Weps Off, 4 Laps

Race 7 - Anulpha Pass Forward, Rapier, Weps On, 4 Laps

[leungbok]

You did a nice round DP, but one big mistake is conserving mirage on a flash race, icaras superior speed is way more significant on slower classes and it's a must have ship on these !

[R3BU5ER]

Agreed Leung, that's exactly where it went wrong, you can see DP's lines are pretty good all the time, but Bazzman still slowly gaining some time

Damn DP, even flash seems fast on your recordings What's the song that comes in at Amphi rev. Flash?

[amplificated]

I have to say I love your choice of music for the intro

[Constrictor]

Strange discussion on low vs. high speed classed here - whatever.

During the early days of the Cup there were some people here that did mention/foresee that it's also about strategy (choosing tracks, speed class and race mode). Now we see that this is a valid approach in winning the Cup. Well done!

And btw, not winning the Cup doesn't make one slower.

[Jav]

Skrotos or Tiduch to win it

[Tiduch]

I contacted with Texasalex and we will play in sunday evening (31th july)

[JFthebestJan]

good luck with ur match against texasalex, u'll need it
btw. will u choose zone battle or just phantom SR?

[ion harvest]

i'm wanting texasalex or bazzman to win it for me

Go Fast Texasalex
Go Fast Bazzman