Shoot: ×/absorb: 〇
try it :g
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haydn has that setup on pulse, i tryed it but i kept going back to normal mid race so i had to change it back
jeeze, some people don't even USE side-shifts? They're about the only thing that keep me away from the wall half the time... I would be dead without them in HD :/
That being said, I used R1/L1 because I didn't want to wear out my R2/L2 triggers... but I don't even use a PS3 controller anymore; I use a PS1 Dualshock so that every button is digital, regardless of what the options menu says...
The D-Pad on a PS2/PS3 controller has too much play, so doing BRs is difficult unless I'm using the PS1 pad
i didnt know you could plug in the old-school pads
@Reach: How and when did you decide to put your controls like that?
It makes sense but it's still a bit of a weird setup... ;)
I will try it tomorrow :g
you can use any pad you want to if you got adaptor plug..i think their about 10 euros ps2 to ps3 coverter is their name i think.:nod
I had one...for further reference, about 10 dollars, USD.
@Reach
Awesome! Same set-up i used for pulse nearly. Might have to give it a try :)
I used for pulse -
L - fire
R - thrust
Sqare - L Airbrake
Triangle - R Airbrake
X - Absorb
O - Look back
Never really experimented properly with a similar set-up on HD, i guess seeing as the ps3 obviously has more shoulder buttons i felt obliged to make full use of them.
@Saturn
Wow, Im truely amazed you dont use sideshifts very often. :eek So many corners can be completely negated with a humble shift. Thinking about it, on VK Rev i shift on pretty much every corner.
I do them more than I realise. It's not like I don't use them. I'm trying out the old WO games and it's obvious I use them subconsciously when they're not available and I'm trying to do them anyway. But I've just never really been good at them and rarely got the desired result. After a lot of TT on a track I get the hang of them a bit more, but I'm sure others use them a lot more and are way better at them than I. I tend to always do them and then steer too much at the same time. I'd prefer to not use them at all and slide the ship around more in a bit of an old-skool way, even though I'm not an old-skool player.
Last night I set airbrakes to 100%. It was horrible. Then I was going to start to turn them down a bit at a time, figuring I'd probably stop at around 30% anyway. But I think they're on 80% now. I might not even have gone down past 90%. It does feel to offer more subtlety in the control, particularly for SS, than the lower settings, even though I'm using L1/R1. So maybe now I can start using SS better. I wish I'd experimented more earlier now.
Deary me Sat, you just can't get anything right can you? :P
From your vids it looks like you SS quite a lot, just as much as (if not more than) me, if that's anything to go by. Only difference is that you use them in different places/situations.
I agree with you about not using them at all though, feels much more smooth and controlled if you don't SS around a corner. Actually it's more like holding the brake as opposed to tapping it. One example I can think of is the second long lefty on sol2 R: feels really nice to just hold l-airbrake with a bit of nose down but I'm pretty sure it's slower than the whole tap-tap-sideshift-tappy thing.
Defs gonna try Reach's funky setup tonight :)
30% = win :g
Exactly, and I think the different places I do them are just when I instinctively need them, so I don't even realise. Maybe I just need to think about it a bit more and then I can actually use them more effectively.
side shifting is one of the coolest game mechanics, i don't know how i ever managed to play the older W"O games without it now. But let me get this confirmed - setting airbrake sensitivity to 100 will give me a shorter SS, whereas setting airbrakes to 10 will give me longer SS ? or am I totally wrong? :?
It's not about absolutes, it's about relative level of control, or precision in control. I think that the 100% setting should give more control over airbrake shenanigans in general. You could have it set to one or the other and actually find no difference if, for example, you just mash that button as hard as you can in exactly the same way no matter what your settings are. I think only some experimentation will really confirm the effect for the individual.
Depends how hard you push the buttons I think: Maximum lateral travel due to sideshifting is the same regardless of your airbrake sensitivity, it's just your input can be slightly different depending on the % sensitivity.
Having said that, I'm not sure if sideshift distances varies according to how hard you push the button or how 'long' you push the buttons for during the sideshift (or a combination of the two). I'll check it out later.
For the time being: Assuming it is the former, if you have your airbrakes set to 10% you will only be able to do a sideshift that will move you the maximum amount, whereas with 100% you would be able to control this distance.
If instead it is to do with duration of button pressing antics (like I said at the top of this post) then you will be able to control your sideshift distance to the same degree regardless of your airbrake sensitivity.
Something along those lines I reckon....maybe Ask an expert, I'm just guessing :)
@yeldar
funky setup :lol It is difficult for me to use default setup.I am confused.
The role of the left hand is only handling. and right hand is another.:o
This is best setup for me:)
@haydn
Wow! great setup! same nearly :g:+
If you hold the sideshift button in on the second press for a longer time you will sideshift further across the track. Two the same will result in a smaller sideshift. What happens when you change the sensitivity I don't really know, probably just affects how much pressure needed.
Using the Sideshift at phantom doesn't always work for me, it just results in turning the ship twice, I read on here that there was a glitch in the sideshifts but don't remember where.
To be honest I never really understood why you could change the sensitivity, just make them work every time and everyone would be happy.
I'm using 10% for acceleration and 30% for airbreaks, what should it be so they work without fail at Phantom?
Well that's the same as me and I never fail :+
...I mean sideshifts never fail :lol
No idea kgb, will look into it :)
thrust sens: 10%
airbrakes sens: 80%
pitch: off
view: far
L1R1 airbrakes
triangle = speed
O = absorb
L2 = rear view
R2 = shot
i use the d pad and sometimes the analog stick - i like the feel of the analog stick better but for BR-s is the d pad better. is there any real good player that uses analog or the all pros use d-pad!? :) to ask is not a sin...
One question:
Why is everyone using X as speed and not the triangle? IT`s easier to absorb a pickup when u hould the triangle and then you just push O - you can do it with just one finger. :)
and side shifting.. im learning it but I just dont like side shifting, I like the flow of the game without it... but its important to learn it to. Since I am a newbie, which ship dou you prefer?
I used the standard but now I switched to Goteki45 and I love it. Which ships are similar? :) Or offer more control? :)
@saturnreturn
I watched all of your videos and got inspiration for that goteki45 , which settings do you use now? airbrake 80% still? :)
Aw shucks, I feel like a celebrity. Welcome to the forum. You're my favourite already. :lol
I switched back to Goteki recently as I started playing the game online a bit more. With the Goteki I'm using 70%. I'm definitely preferring the level of control with it set a bit higher, and I'm loving this ship again right now. Fits like a glove.:)
OI! I though I was your favourite :P
what a nice and fast respond. :+ if im your favorite then saturn will be my planet :P
hehe, funny, we must be brothers, I have set it today to 70% too - goteki rox and it is massive :hyper
im in love with wipeout - hope it will last forever
I have just one question: I have read a lot of this pitch threads but I still dont know if its good to use motion sensor? Now I have it off, cause when I im bed my controller is in a frankenstein position and its not good :D
i rarelly press up and down on the d pad < i just dont have the time cause u must use all the aibrakes and sideshift and make double barrels, who has time for the pitch controll... so much stuff for a beginner. Do you have a hint - Am I losing much if I never steer my nose up or down? This is all I wanna know for now.
And im glad I found this forum, cause in our country arent manny wipeout players(we are small - 2 million people) :D
happy xmall to all,
acintyan :P
PS: yeldar I saw your videos too. you were the first player i watched lol :P, U both are insane and have nice videos. RESPECT for the The Flying Dutchmen.
I think Im using the default configuration
thrust 30%
airbrakes 100%
pitch only motion control 80%
main ship: Auricom F (also Goteki 45. But Ive stuck to Goteki F recently and I think I prefer it)
I tried various sensibility settings. This one is the best balanced for me.
steer with left analog, I can't play racing games with the D-pad anymore since Gran Turismo 2 lol. And I think I couldnt get good racing lines with the D-pad anyway. Im the kind of person who handles smoothly the gamepads u know8)
view: close, thrust: X, shoot: SQUARE, absorb: O, look back: L1
im using square and triangle for airbrakes now, they are at 70%. I dont know what is it but I ike to side shift with that setting more and it`s more precise than L1R1 - after all
it˙s a small button :P
but i cant use X for shot now... i put shot on R2 and absorb on O - but it strange feeling. thrust is on L2 :)
i had this setting but its a little weird when u are using airbrake and shoot at the same time - so im just using r1r2 for shoot - absorb is ok
Acceleration/Thrust:10%
Airbrakes:50%
Motion Sensor:60% (cannot be bothered to use the MS)
Acceleration at 10% (Why the stupid analog sensitivity? Are there people out there who like having to press the button as hard as they can?)
Motion at 100%
Airbrakes at 50%
I'm currently at 10% Accel 70% Airbrakes.
Motion is at pitch only, 60%, with R1 and L1 for airbrakes. Find it easier to sideshift that way ;).
I go with 10% on both accel and ABs :g
I use original button setup and camera view is far.
I don't use pitch control, except when I did Beat Zico.
I´ve played (and still play) Pulse on the PS2, so I wanted to set the controls of the ships in WO-HD to a comparably level.
My momentary setting is the following:
Thrust at 80%
Airbreaks at 70%
MS is at 60%
I can´t say that these settings are comparable with those in pulse, still I am not very happy with this choice, but it is better than before. My Icaras doesn´t wobble like the tail of a cow any more!
I suppose you know the difference between analog controls and digital controls.
In WipEout HD, the higher the sensitivity, the more analog control you have over whatever it is you are adjusting. 100% is pure analog control.
On the contrary, the lower the sensitivity, the less analog control you have. So 10% is almost pure digital control.
I do not play Pulse on PS2 but on PSP the controls in Pulse are 100% digital if I remember correctly (Except maybe if you use the analog stick.)
So for example if you wanted to imitate the control responsiveness of Pulse PSP into HD you would have to set everything at 10%.
One thing that is a given:
Set Acceleration at 10%. Setting it higher means that you need to press harder to get 100% Acceleration. Airbrakes and Motion Sensor,you may have your own liking,so you may have to experiment
thrust is 10% thats law....
airbrakes..whatever you want makes no difference just find a setting and stick to it..your style will adapt to your setting if you use it for any considerable legnth of time.
analogue vs pad..hard to call both have goods and bads...
For everything apart from zone, I like things with as little sensitivity as possible. Sometimes I put the motion sensitivity up to 40% to help with the cornering but usually I just find all the barrel roll / sideshifts etc much easier to pull off on the lowest sensitivities. And I'm a die hard user of d-pad. In fact I was really shocked to find out that advanced players are using analogue!!