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OBH
20th July 2009, 11:33 PM
:rock:guitar:hyperwipeoutHD "WEAPONS ON" World Cup!:hyper:guitar:rock

Thats right! Finally after lots of debating, multiple drafts, difference of opinion, overly complicated rules, plus aaaaalllllll the other stuff, we finally have it ready - Its the wipeout world cup! (Thought it would be good to announce it along with wipeout FURY :)

Cheers to SaturnReturn, Mad-Ice + others for finally getting things rolling. (and EPSILON for the awesome idea!)

[ THE RULES ]
---------------------------------
* 10 teams compete on PHANTOM to see who really is the best of the best.
* EVERY MATCH IS WEAPONS ON, ALL 16 TRACKS
* points are scored in exactly the same manner as the normal wipeoutHD tournament structure.
* Every team is always involved right until the end - All 10 places are decided so the finalist's will only play 1 game more than the rest.
* Try to have at least one standby player ready in case of long term disconnection.
* Games should be invite only
* Teams should agree on host in advance, can split hosting if both agree.
* Coordinate via the PS3 chat box. Set up a chatbox before the race and all join.
* The highest socring pilot for each race will be awardrd the "Most Valuable Pilot" for that race :)
* Keep track of ALL players scores --- either via a screenahot / photo at the end, or use the chatbox to keep track.
* If there are many complaints in the chatbox of dead weapons pads or frequent broken barrel rolls during the first 8 races, change host for the 2nd set of races.

* TIMESCALE -- Each team will have ONE MONTH to play all the teams in their group IN ANY ORDER YOU PLEASE before we move onto the next round :) We were going to do 1 race a week, but leaving you guys to organise 4 matches within 31 days should be easy enough!

TRY AND ORGANISE RACES NOW, OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE :) Ill mark next to each race the date itll be taking place if you guys know in advance.

* DISCONNECTIONS -- If it happens within the first few races, obviously feel free to start again. If its 2 races from the end and 1 team has a clear winning advantage, dont bother. If it becomes a REAL problem, try another team mate or re-arranging it for another day. Forfeits are of course an absolute last resort.

Just use a bit of common sense if something starts to go wrong. Not every race is going to go 100% according to plan, just try not to go mental about it :)

* QUESTIONS -- PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, post them here
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5747
Leave this thread for results and hilarious banter :)


[ Team Rosters ]
Those picked to fight for their country are as follows!! ---
Number in red is the number of MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards for that person.

ENGLAND
AndyBob35, Greenix (2), OlOuk, Hellfire (1), XBarnsterX, Amorbis, Peh-hok, Osama bin Haydn
The Flying Dutchmen
Yeldar2097 (2), SaturnReturn (1), Luxoflux (1), DjManiac, AnErare, Cnmth, Connavar, Mad-Ice
Team France
Wotan998 (1), kingheim, Asayyeah, ericd7m/Kaori, AkFurtif, leungbok, fgdk, G-Superpilot
Team Italy
Alterego, Il_Nik, Shawn_Frecle, Moriarty 79, Assoartu64, xtriko
Team Nordic
chaos80 (1), Zoth-Ommog, drMannevond, JJPAP, erich123, machiasu, Drugs-Bunny, Phoenix437
North American Wipeout Team
TarotCardKiller (1), Vartazian (1), TheFrostE, RedScar, Feisar 31, DividedXZ, DeepMix, Kyonshi
Team Austria
Danterich, TaroBarkhan, eLhabib, Mister_Mateo
Team Japan
reach-big7 (1), rerealm (2), Yamamo101so6, hn9354, Aka-sho, ossama, EdelWeiss, spec-r-99
Team ANZ
blackwiggle, djKyoto (3), KIGO1987, trentdf, Luna (1)
Team Scotland
stin, Rapier Racer, Mu5, TarquinFarquar, Pitbulldug

[ GROUP PHASE ]
---------------------------------
[ MATCHES TO BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER ]
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/WOgroups2.jpg?t=1246828068

Group A
---------------------------------
1st)[ 9 points ][817] North American Wipeout Team qualifies
2nd)[ 6 points ][780] The Flying Dutchmen qualifies
3rd)[ 3 points ][685] Team France
4th)[ 0 points ][508] Team Italy
5th)[ 0 points ][000] Team Austria DNF

Team France ----------------[ 213 points ] vs [ 251 points ] The Flying Dutchmen
MVP: yeldar2097 & Luxoflux
Team France ----------------[ 289 points ] vs [ 175 points ] Team Italy
MVP: Wotan
Team France ----------------[ 183 points ] vs [ 281 points ] North American Wipeout Team
MVP: Vartazian
North American Wipeout Team [ 299 points ] vs [ 165 points ] Team Italy
MVP: TarotCardKiller
North American Wipeout Team [ 237 points ] vs [ 233 points ] The Flying Dutchmen
MVP: Yeldar2097
Team Italy ------------------[ 168 points ] vs [ 296 points ] The Flying Dutchmen
MVP: SaturnReturn

Group B
---------------------------------
1st)[ 9 points ][1094] Team England playoff
2nd)[ 9 points ][1024] Team Japan playoff
3rd)[ 9 points ][889] Team ANZ playoff
4th)[ 3 points ][783] Team Nordic
5th)[ 0 points ][693] Team Scotland



Team England ----------------[ 230 points ] vs [ 234 points ] Team Japan
MVP: reach-big7
Team England ----------------[ 321 points ] vs [ 143 points ] Team Nordic
MVP: Greenix
Team England ----------------[ 251 points ] vs [ 201 points ] Team ANZ
MVP: djKyoto
Team England ----------------[ 292 points ] vs [ 156 points ] Team Scotland
MVP: Hellfire
Team Scotland --------------- [ 179 points ] vs [ 269 points ] Team Japan
MVP: rerealm
Team Scotland --------------- [ 209 points ] vs [ 255 points ] Team Nordic
MVP: chaos80
Team Scotland --------------- [ 149 points ] vs [ 219 points ] Team ANZ
MVP: Luna
Team Japan ------------------[ 307 points ] vs [ 156 points ] Team Nordic
MVP: Rerealm
Team Japan ------------------[ 214 points ] vs [ 234 points ] Team ANZ
MVP: djKyoto
Team Nordic ------------------[ 229 points ] vs [ 235 points ] Team ANZ
MVP: djKyoto

Group B Playoff
---------------------------------

Team England (OBH & Greenix)--: [ 174 points ] vs
Team ANZAC (djKyoto & Luna) ----: [ 142 points ] vs
Team Japan (hn9354 & rerealm): [ 133 points ]


The top 2 teams from each group qualify for the semi finals.
Remaining teams are matched up based on their finishing position to decide the remaining 6 places.


[ THE FINALS!! ]
[ MATCHES TO BE DONE IN OCTOBER ]
---------------------------------

RUNNERS UP MATCHES

10th / 9th position -
Team Austria [ DNF ] vs [ 0 points ] Team Scotland
MVP: N/A
8th / 7th position -
Team Italy [ 0 points ] vs [ 0 points ] Team Nordic
MVP: -----------------------
6th / 5th position -
Team France [ 0 points ] vs [ 0 points ] Team Japan
MVP: -----------------------

SEMI FINALS

North American Wipeout Team [ 0 points ] vs [ 0 points ] Team ANZ
MVP: -----------------------
Team England [ 0 points ] vs [ 0 points ] The Flyng Dutchmen
MVP: -----------------------

THE FINAL!!

------------------ [ 0 points ] vs [ 0 points ] ------------------
MVP: -----------------------

[ FINAL STANDINGS!!! ]

Winner) -------------------- :hyper
2nd) --------------------
3rd) --------------------
4th) --------------------
5th) --------------------
6th) --------------------
7th) --------------------
8th) --------------------
9th) Team Scotland
10th) Team Austria

THATS IT!! If its a success, and your all up for it again, no doubt we can make a wipEout FURY world cup, and incorporate a whole variety of game modes!!

Enjoy yourselves, and good luck!!! :hyper:hyper:hyper

xtriko
20th July 2009, 11:47 PM
Why can't I find Portuguese Wipers for this :'(

RobCoxy
21st July 2009, 02:22 AM
Whoa, there are some good players there!

England looks promising from who i have raced out of all the teams :D. Though every team has GREAT players. Good luck all ;).

But.... COME ON ENGLAND ! :p

Vartazian
21st July 2009, 11:47 AM
dont you Rule out the States and Canada, Were here to Crush some Europeans!

OBH
21st July 2009, 02:02 PM
Why can't I find Portuguese Wipers for this :'(
Shame my friend. You could try joining another team? Austria have only 4 pilots.

Granted your a good few miles away from Austria! :) and it is entirely up to them anyway, not me.

As I said in the other thread, we need an even-number of teams for this to work. So either 2 more teams need in, or try banding together a load of misfits and i'll make room.

The more the merrier i say :)


dont you Rule out the States and Canada, Were here to Crush some Europeans!

No American can beat, invade, or fly faster than an englishman ;)

leungbok
21st July 2009, 02:06 PM
dont you Rule out the States and Canada, Were here to Crush some Europeans!

Wotan, Eric7dm, Kingheim, Asayyeah... are already traumatized :cold

:lol

XBARNSTERX
21st July 2009, 02:12 PM
ohh this is going to be so much fun, cambodia world cup i can see it.:)

alterego
21st July 2009, 02:12 PM
Hi xtriko, hi all.


Why can't I find Portuguese Wipers for this :'(


Team Italy it's ready to welcome to your skillfull wipers arts! :)

....if you want! ;)

read you soon
cdrom

OBH
21st July 2009, 02:20 PM
xtriko, a born again italian :)

djKyoto
21st July 2009, 02:28 PM
If it's ok, Can you add Luna for Team ANZ.

Also what are the race matches? 12 Races Random Touranment? 2 Lots of 8/12?

kaori
21st July 2009, 03:47 PM
Haydn said 2 tournaments of 8 races, but Fury is going available, why not do 2 tournaments of 12 races ?

OBH
21st July 2009, 05:03 PM
Because not everyone is deffinitly going to have fury.

If they do when September rolls around, sure why not :)


If it's ok, Can you add Luna for Team ANZ.

Also what are the race matches? 12 Races Random Touranment? 2 Lots of 8/12?
All 16 tracks each time.
We were going to include various other game modes (doubles matches, emilinator etc) but its best to stick with tried and trusted first, and made another tourny later if people enjoy themselves :)

mic-dk
21st July 2009, 08:03 PM
Since I didn't qualify for Team Nordic I can safely say we will thrash you all!

:D

But we really need to find a better flag for us - we look like Lufthansa...

TarotCardKiller
21st July 2009, 08:46 PM
Are they going to be any Avalon races as well ? It'd be nice to have 'peace' races in the midst of this Cambodian tournament.

The match format isn't clear.

OBH
21st July 2009, 09:50 PM
Read it all the way through, clearly states many times that every battle is weapons on, all 16 tracks :) Dont know how much clearer you need it :)

Sorry for there being no AVALON esc races, was debated for a long time. But hey ho, you cant please everyone.

Like ive said, if people enjoy it, we can always do another one to incorporate more game types.

eLhabib
21st July 2009, 10:00 PM
So how about including the 4 (8 with reverse) new tracks? And what about the Fury ships? Are they allowed?

OBH
21st July 2009, 10:01 PM
Because not everyone is deffinitly going to have fury.
Nuff said. We cant include the new tracks if not all players can race on them.


If everyone does have FURY when September rolls around, sure why not

edit:
If fury ships have the same stats as normal, then theres no harm in picking them. :beer

TarotCardKiller
21st July 2009, 10:18 PM
I didn't see that. LOL oops =]


Read it all the way through, clearly states many times that every battle is weapons on, all 16 tracks :) Dont know how much clearer you need it :)

Sorry for there being no AVALON esc races, was debated for a long time. But hey ho, you cant please everyone.

Like ive said, if people enjoy it, we can always do another one to incorporate more game types.

SaturnReturn
21st July 2009, 11:13 PM
Don't feel too bad TCK, I missed the big red weapons bit at the top too. It looks better now in blue. I suspect a stealth edit went in there ;)

RedScar
22nd July 2009, 07:37 AM
The same bracket as the french, thats just bad luck. GL to all who are entered, now lets just hope my PS3 is back soon so I can get some practice in.

LOUDandPROUD
22nd July 2009, 07:18 PM
Another reason for not including the new tracks is that some people have mastered them on Pulse or Pure or whatever , while others (like myself) will be experiencing them for the first time. Sure, by the time the World Cup rolls around, most will be pretty comfortable with them, but not to the same degree as those who have mastered them long ago.

kaori
22nd July 2009, 07:40 PM
I don't agree, if you think that, then, why not forbid players who have play more than 200 hours at WipEout HD ?

It's the World Cup, with the best players (not all). This guys and girls seem to often play.
I don't tell that for Team France, because only 3 of our players have really played on PSP.

DividedXZero
22nd July 2009, 07:40 PM
i have pulse and pure...
but the tracks didnt feel the same in HD...
so it's not a direct translation to the same skill.

leungbok
22nd July 2009, 07:44 PM
Handling on hd is totally different than in pulse or pure. I had a long training to be comfortable with HD tracks, even if i already knew the paths. I'm sure it's the case for other pilots. And also, sometimes it's better to discover a track than to try to race it like it was possible on an other platform.

LOUDandPROUD
22nd July 2009, 08:17 PM
I don't agree, if you think that, then, why not forbid players who have play more than 200 hours at WipEout HD ?

It's the World Cup, with the best players (not all). This guys and girls seem to often play.
I don't tell that for Team France, because only 3 of our players have really played on PSP.

I don't like your comparison...a bit extreme IMO. As you said, the World Cup is comprised of the best players, period. The best players of WOHD, not Pure or Pulse, which is where these new tracks came from. But the best WOHD players out there don't all know the new WOHD tracks from Pure or Pulse yet, as they are NEW (to WOHD), hence a potentially unfair advantage (IMO) this early on. If the WOrld Cup weren't for 6 months from now, then no problem, but that's not the case. OBH already offered one reason why incorporating the new tracks might not be a good idea and I was simply offering another.

@ Leungbok - I hear what you're saying, yes, the handling/feel might be different in WOHD, but the most critical aspect of "learning" the tracks is memorizing their layout, of which will take longer for those of us who have never seen these tracks before.

DividedXZero
22nd July 2009, 08:26 PM
WO HD tracks are derived from pulse and pure...
Much like the Fury tracks. And as we know they are not that lengthy that we can simply memorize left turn, sharp u right, etc. in a small amount of time.

Finding the best racing lines and barrel rolls takes time and practice. Which you cannot simply apply from experience from the psp versions. The physics are not the same, you have invisible solid barriers on pulse to keep you from going off track as opposed to ship reset.

I dealt with that when i did moa therma rev...was not the same.
Then i tried knowing what i learned in HD to try that on the psp...didnt work out that way.

But this is my opinion based on my experience.

SpaceMunky
22nd July 2009, 09:21 PM
hey guys i just read this post. I may be a bit late but i will be a reserve for the england team if needed. I am a good Rapier Pilot but need to get my practice on Phantom

LOUDandPROUD
22nd July 2009, 10:01 PM
@ DividedXZero - Yah, I know the "old" WOHD tracks came from Pure and Pulse too, but we've all (the top pilots and most of us here on WOZ) had ample time to acclimate to them already, unlike with these "new" tracks.

This isn't a big deal to me at all really lol. I just thought it was another point to make in regards to whether or not to incorporate the new tracks. If we use them, we use them, it's all good. :)

SaturnReturn
22nd July 2009, 11:10 PM
I would suggest that if people want to see a WipEout HD World Cup, as per the image and underlined acronym the following post, then they forget about Fury for this tournament at least.

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=110379&postcount=1

Avalon races were ruled out for a couple of reasons. Both the most important (yes yes IMO) and the most used reasons for ruling out Avalon races are directly applicable to inclusion of Fury, even if it were deemed a part of HD.

Finally, the current format is as such largely for the sake of speed and simplicity. The only thing that should change now is anything that needs to be adjusted in the rules to make things run more smoothly.

All my opinions, but I think we all want this to happen and should accept it, look ahead, and learn from any mistakes next time, so that the next World Cup is even more of a success.

OBH
23rd July 2009, 01:47 PM
thank you sat :)

to help clarify -

why no "weapons off" races? -
everyone has their favourite tracks and race types. keeping it simple and use just 1 keeps organising it more...... simple. the idea was also first mentioned 6 months ago, about time we did it! :)

why no FURY tracks? -
simply because i dont know if all those taking part will have bought FURY yet. some teams have only 4 players, its unfair to assume they'll all have it, and if not, wouldnt be able to take part.

theres always next time! :)

OBH
23rd July 2009, 07:54 PM
im getting the distinct impression that no ones really up for it anymore

Vartazian
23rd July 2009, 11:04 PM
Up for what the World Cup?

I think everyone is a little pre-occupied with the Release of fury.

I know im still stoked for the world cup!!!

LOUDandPROUD
24th July 2009, 12:47 PM
Ditto! (even if I am only a reserve lol)

DividedXZero
24th July 2009, 01:23 PM
Same applies to me!

eLhabib
24th July 2009, 05:19 PM
Same here, mate. Next week's wipEout time will be spent in SL and online flying the new tracks and the new tracks ONLY - gotta learn!

yeldar2097
24th July 2009, 08:34 PM
if only there were a proper spectator mode, now that would be killer :P

OBH
25th July 2009, 07:19 PM
Thats what i was REALLY hoping for. Could get a camera man :)

SaturnReturn
25th July 2009, 08:00 PM
I'm sure plenty will record races. Should be good viewing :D And yeldar - you won't need spectator mode because you'll be racing. So there!

yeldar2097
26th July 2009, 12:52 AM
it depends when it starts. i'm going to need a few years of practice to be anywhere near good enough to race. motorsagmannen and IH8YOU will vouch for me

OBH
26th July 2009, 01:15 AM
shut up you bumder :)

yeldar2097
26th July 2009, 01:19 AM
wasser bumder? :P

OBH
26th July 2009, 03:39 PM
ever seen "The Inbetweeners"? :) Some of the best 1 line insults ever.

KGB
26th July 2009, 05:11 PM
Got the box set. you clunge

Brilliant:p

RobCoxy
26th July 2009, 08:13 PM
Haha yeah, inbetweeners is awesome!

'Bus Wankers...'

Nunalho
26th July 2009, 11:42 PM
Guess i am kinda late :?

No portuguese team anyway...

kaori
27th July 2009, 10:59 AM
haydn said we could accept 2 teams (not one but two)

Find your mates, potugueses and why not spanish, to have a team.

I'm surprised to not see a german team, I've met lot of good german people on the tracks.

Nunalho
27th July 2009, 05:50 PM
I only know one good portuguese player, its Xtriko. Anyway i will be working away in september so probably i cant play :? Shame.

Good luck people.

xtriko
27th July 2009, 10:00 PM
I also only know you Nunalho and my wife (Spitfire2097)... It's kind of sad to only have friends into Pro Evolution Soccer or Fifa ahahah XD
Nunalho, we have to recruit some "Tugas" ;)

SpaceMunky
29th July 2009, 05:20 PM
The Inbetweeners is awesome!

'Car friend!'

KGB
29th July 2009, 10:35 PM
Just as well I failed to get in the team really, as I'm now off on holiday to 'Caravan club'.

My wife tells me I'm going to be 'up to my nuts in guts' ???? I'm hoping it isn't going to be too strenuous, I do have a feeling that it will be very messy though. She once munched off the whole school rugby team. :)

mic-dk
30th July 2009, 06:10 AM
Please tell me something is lost on me in translation....

If not, I'm not sure whether to ask for pictures or ask you kindly not to tell anymore details :lol

RobCoxy
30th July 2009, 04:39 PM
Yeah...'Munched off' ?? Lol

LOUDandPROUD
30th July 2009, 07:46 PM
LOL...yeah, I was tempted to make some naughty jokes about that, but refrained. ;)

Vartazian
30th July 2009, 07:52 PM
Good to know im not the only one with a Guttermind

TheFrostE
31st July 2009, 12:07 AM
i have a guttermind to the max.... (=======8 BOING! was that too much?:beer

OBH
31st July 2009, 02:37 PM
Dont worry, you guys might be 2 yanks and a canadian, but you still got the joke :g

yeldar2097
31st July 2009, 05:05 PM
i didn't and i'm english...my passport says so :D

Vartazian
31st July 2009, 10:12 PM
I do believe you meant to call me a "Canuck" !

AnErare
31st July 2009, 11:08 PM
At my pit stop on Pluto yesterday the locals told me to go much further down the milky way if I'd wanted to hear words even faintly approaching those :P

I'd like to read news about the WWC here guys.

TheFrostE
1st August 2009, 01:30 AM
im pretty pumped for this whole thing now...in my big bad new fury feisar

Vartazian
1st August 2009, 04:00 AM
So when are you going to practice with us frost?

TheFrostE
1st August 2009, 04:39 AM
O_O... i wasnt informed of practices ! haha id love to roll with you guys for practice....i have nights and weekends off. hit me up on psn or on here.

but tbh with you. it could be much easier to use my cell phone if im not right on my comp or ps3 to organize time. vart...send me a PM if you want my celll number and your welcome to give it a ring or text to set stuff up.

yeldar2097
5th August 2009, 02:17 AM
Question from an anonymous wiper: Are fury ship allowed to be used?

LOUDandPROUD
5th August 2009, 02:24 AM
Ooh...good question!

Vartazian
5th August 2009, 02:36 AM
Yeah we are talking about this in our "OMFG STOP SHOOTING ME" room. its soooo cash.

yeldar2097
5th August 2009, 02:51 AM
coming from you Vart?

They call him Mr Bombastic, miner fantastic, try to grab a shield it's gonna blowww-blowww

you all know the song, so sing it :P

/massiveofftopic (sorry lance ;))

Vartazian
5th August 2009, 02:53 AM
Hey man its kill or be killed! I wasnt dropping the most bombs, I was just dropping them in the right PLACES. I maybe got 1 per race, and most fo the time I absorbed them.

I was listening to alot of RAMstein today tho...

djKyoto
5th August 2009, 03:10 AM
We are keeping Fury tracks out of this, rite?

leungbok
5th August 2009, 08:28 AM
And about fury ships ?

XBARNSTERX
5th August 2009, 08:35 AM
Ohh no no , think it should be old ships old tracks i think. Thats what was planned before fury right??:?

Vartazian
5th August 2009, 08:47 AM
I dont see a problem with New ships. Its up to the organizers really. its not like they are anybetter.

OBH
5th August 2009, 05:10 PM
But their stats are better.
Deffinitly just the old ships. Its been said before but if someone doesnt have fury it could make it very unfair.

SaturnReturn
5th August 2009, 05:59 PM
I agree. Old ships :+

yeldar2097
5th August 2009, 06:59 PM
score!

it's like Yoda vs. Obi-Wan - no contest :P

LOUDandPROUD
6th August 2009, 02:40 AM
Old ships sound good to me too. :+

Mad-Ice
6th August 2009, 08:30 AM
Indeed; old ships and old tracks, WWC pure HD 2009. WWC HD Fury 2010.

XBARNSTERX
6th August 2009, 08:47 AM
Indeed; old ships and old tracks, WWC pure HD 2009. WWC HD Fury 2010.

yes definitely a fury contest needs to be setup for the new tracks and ships:nod

SaturnReturn
9th August 2009, 09:43 PM
Everyone. People are starting to think about arranging matches, which is good. Please can teams get in touch with each other early, especially if you think there could be any problem arranging matches, e.g due to time zones or language barriers.

If you want to carry out the matches before the start of September then I think that is fine. Please inform myself and OBH once matches are arranged.

If teams have a Captain and Vice-Captain, or generally a person in the team who is best to contact then please make them known here to aid organisation.

Thanks.

Vartazian
9th August 2009, 09:59 PM
Team North Amercian Captains

TarotCardKiller and Vartazian.

JJPAP
11th August 2009, 06:55 PM
Just contact yours sincerely if you want to arrange a WWC-match vs. Team Nordic :)
(NB! Im not no captain, but I dont mind trying to get things run smoothly)

blackwiggle
11th August 2009, 07:13 PM
Hard to get things sorted with team AUS when one member has shot himself in the foot and been suspended for a month and the other major team members sole reply was "OK"

:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall

KGB
11th August 2009, 08:28 PM
It kind of needs to be asked. Who was that?
'sole' good one ;)

SaturnReturn
11th August 2009, 09:12 PM
Keep it up blackwiggle. Just kick their arses. You, Luna, DjKyoto and Kigo's still around. I have his msn address if you want it.

timwatt85
12th August 2009, 10:06 AM
ill fly for the anz team, will practice lots too
coose me choose me choose me

OBH
12th August 2009, 10:53 AM
****.
My place to use the internet isnt going to be there much longer.

Cant compete anymore. And more annoyingly, my lack of access to this site means even arranging it properly will be difficult. Checking this site once or twice a week at most isnt going to cut it.

Not too sure what to do about this...

leungbok
12th August 2009, 11:09 AM
Hard to get things sorted with team AUS when one member has shot himself in the foot and been suspended for a month

You mean he's the first victim of his own "eliminator league" ? :g

SaturnReturn
12th August 2009, 08:17 PM
I posted a message on the Japanese WipEout BBS. Hopefully it will help.

jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/updown/index.cgi

KGB
12th August 2009, 08:24 PM
****.
My place to use the internet isnt going to be there much longer.

Cant compete anymore. And more annoyingly, my lack of access to this site means even arranging it properly will be difficult. Checking this site once or twice a week at most isnt going to cut it.

Not too sure what to do about this...

Why don't you leave it until nearer the time and then see where you stand Haydn. There's a few weeks to go yet. If you can't do it as I said on team englands page I think silverfox is next in line to join up.

FatScarf
13th August 2009, 12:30 AM
Great to hear this is gonna be kicking off this year! COME ON ENGLAND. You lads better make up for our lacklustre football team. I wish there was a good way to film these matches, would love to edit together highlight reels for them.

djKyoto
13th August 2009, 11:55 AM
Hard to get things sorted with team AUS when one member has shot himself in the foot and been suspended for a month and the other major team members sole reply was "OK"

:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall:brickwall :brickwall

Guilty. :lol

Best to set a PSN chat room up when we are online man.

Aka-sho
13th August 2009, 01:54 PM
I posted a message on the Japanese WipEout BBS. Hopefully it will help.

jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/updown/index.cgi

Dear SaturnReturn

Thank you for your kind message.
We are going to gather the Japanese team member and talk about the WWC Schedule.

hn9354 posted Team Japan WWC Schedule on WZ forum. (Thanks hn9354)

Team Japan WWC Schedule
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6686

Best regards.

Aka-sho

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/7230/wipeout/

SaturnReturn
16th August 2009, 07:10 PM
I've created some score sheets for the World Cup that people can use to keep track of their scores.

Attached is a zip folder (EDIT: Re-uploaded with fixed small sheet). In this folder is an Excel Workbook, within which are two sheets. There is a large score-sheet and a small score-sheet. The large score sheet can be printed out onto an A4 page and you can use it to write down your own score, and if you have time you can fill in all other scores too.

The smaller sheet is linked to the large sheet and will (fingers crossed) automatically fill itself out. You can then copy and paste the cells into paint. If you only copy the extents of the filled in cells then the sheet that is generated should be within the limits of the forum's rules for images so it can be posted directly into a thread.

An pdf example of the large score sheet can be found here:
Large Score Sheet Example (http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B5vUkOSdapg3OTI4NmUyYjQtZmE0OS00ZWI4L Tk2ZGQtYjgyODMxYTAwNzg4&hl=en)

The smaller sheet that is generated should look like this:
EDIT: See Team England vs. Team Nordic Results Here (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146021&postcount=101)

Alternatively you can just fill in the smaller sheet by hand - whatever you find easiest. If you find the font hard to read, then feel free to change it. The font can be downloaded here (http://nathancaldecott.deviantart.com/art/Wipeout-HD-Fury-Font-131384790).

The captains of the two teams should fill out their team's scores and check that they all add up. Then they should liaise with the other team's captain to generate one small score-sheet and post it here. If someone has video or photos of the whole match then they can fill the sheet out themselves, but please double check all scores when you do so.

I hope these are useful to some of you. Whatever method you choose, whether you use these sheets or not, please make sure you all note down your own score and as many of your own team's scores (followed by the other team's scores) as possible in the time between races.

Thanks to leungbok for the icons and Nathan Caldecot (http://nathancaldecott.deviantart.com/) for the fonts (used under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/).)

ShawnFrecle
19th August 2009, 12:55 PM
So, finally the world cup can be a true sucess! I'm thinking if during a race, the pilots that are the reserves of a team, can compete with the reserves of the other teams... For example during the race Italy vs France, can exist also Italy 2 vs France 2? Sure, this is not going to be official, is not valid for the world cup, and the pilots are always ready to quit the race for the official race, but I think this can be funny :D

kaori
19th August 2009, 01:41 PM
Nice idea ShawnFrecle, I agree, no problem for France Italy, I will invite our not-selectionned players to join yours.

OBH
20th August 2009, 11:49 AM
good to see everyones getting into this :)
shame i cant race, but if people pm me the dates / scores ill be sure to still update them when i can.

yeldar2097
20th August 2009, 02:10 PM
Poor Mirage haven't got any representatives at the WWC, only just realised that.

shocker...

3rd skin doesn't really count anyways so technically I was the only one ;)
*runs and hides*

OBH
21st August 2009, 12:35 PM
Haha!!

Just paid for ps3 to get repaired, i was expecting it to take 6 weeks or something to return. Apparently they just give me a brand new one on collection day.

Hopefully ill be back on monday evening! :g

knowing my luck i misheard and it will take 6 weeks. Heres to hoping its not! :)

Hellfire_WZ
23rd August 2009, 08:25 PM
GROUP B RESULT

Team England - 321
Team Nordic - 151

Scoresheet attached containing individual and team results

Videos will be uploaded this week :)

EDIT - Saturn, I think there's a discrepancy between the small and large results tables you made. Results don't match.

SaturnReturn
23rd August 2009, 09:03 PM
Really? Damn! Will look into it.

JJPAP
23rd August 2009, 09:35 PM
Congrats to Team England!

Well, Team Nordic was in the lead for a while - until after Vineta K, that is ... Then it was more or less downhill all the way,
Long time since Ive raced Greenix and Andy. My god, Ive never been hit so badly w/ a Plasma before, Greenix (from almost full energy till sudden death in a split sec.) Jesus ...
Looking forward to the vids, Hellfire - especially Seb Rev (a close finish w/ "The Camera Man" in a perfect position, as far as I remember).
Thanks to all for this opening of The WWC 09.

See you

SaturnReturn
23rd August 2009, 09:46 PM
Thanks Hellfire. That was a bit of a schoolboy error there on my part.

Anyway, here is the small PSP friendly (hopefully) version of the breakdown.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/WOWCEnglandvsNordic.jpg
EDIT: Image re-uploaded with updated Sebenco Climb scores.

DrMannevond
23rd August 2009, 09:48 PM
Congratulations to Team England for completely destroying us out there. Just look at those results:eek
And a special thank you to Hellfire for pushing me into the wall at the exact moment I used a turbo on Anulpha rev. It did not end well.
(Hint : Kaboom!!)
Other highlights include getting blasted off the track twice on Sol II rev, and me generally hitting walls left and right because I was too busy trying to figure out if I could shoot the guy in front of me or not.

Hellfire_WZ
23rd August 2009, 11:17 PM
Actually from my view, you were on top of me. I was up against the wall :)

JJ, I'm a little too far back to get a good view of the Sebenco Reverse climax, but I did catch Greenix's plasma on Chenghou Reverse ;)

yeldar2097
24th August 2009, 12:29 AM
Greenix + Plasma = Hello ladies/lots of swearing

DrMannevond
24th August 2009, 03:34 AM
Actually from my view, you were on top of me. I was up against the wall :)

Weird. For me it looked the exact opposite. You came up on the outside and "gently" nudged me into the wall. I could be wrong, it's hard to tell from internal view, but the conclusion is the same : Turbo+Wall=Bad :lol

JJPAP
24th August 2009, 06:13 AM
but I did catch Greenix's plasma on Chenghou Reverse ;)

Oh no!!!
Ill watch it over and over again in a remote mental institution, drewling and sweating :dizzy

Hellfire_WZ
24th August 2009, 01:40 PM
Videos are now available

http://hellfirewz.blogspot.com/

KGB
24th August 2009, 01:54 PM
Well done England, a great start! :beer

OBH
24th August 2009, 01:56 PM
Table updated.

What a lovely sight, England on top of the world :)

Hellfire_WZ
24th August 2009, 02:03 PM
Nordic had 143 you plum ;)

OBH
24th August 2009, 02:10 PM
Woops!! giving UK an early unfair advantage there :g

Mad-Ice
4th September 2009, 11:35 AM
Saturn and I have been discussing about the difficulties getting 8 pilots from 2 teams together for a match. Especially because there will be a lot of racing going on coming months.

We suggest: 3 pilots per team or even 2 pilots per national team for a race is allowed. As long as there is an equal number of pilots per national team present. We do not need a full grid to determine the best team of the world. It will be a lot easier to organise for everyone.

3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie. So no more adding up all points from the 16 races for the total overall score.

We can still have the total overall points as stats though!

Okay, what do you all think about this?

kaori
4th September 2009, 11:55 AM
I agree, it's a good idea for little teams like Italy or Austria. But I think too a big team can win a match with 3 players vs 4 players...

Mad-Ice
4th September 2009, 12:46 PM
Thanks Kaori for the reply and your vote.


As long as there is an equal number of pilots per national team present. We do not need a full grid to determine the best team of the world.

OBH
4th September 2009, 03:56 PM
i didnt realise teams would only be competing with less than 4 players in a single race .

in all honesty i prefer a running total, but clearly we'll have to change the scoring system if this is the case, or a running total would be hugely unfair.

ShawnFrecle
4th September 2009, 07:25 PM
Well, could be, but I think a minimum of 3 pilots per team is better. I don't think race 2 vs 2 is properly for a world cup with national teams. But for now, I think the formula is quiet good, unfortunately (and obviously) there are some pilots that can't race everyday, but doesn't matter, this is not a world cup, this is the world cup :D ... So, maybe a team must challenge in 4 days 4 races, one after the after, but doesn't matter, this is the competition of the strongest and fastest pilots around, so... You want it? Good, take the time for it! And I speak by our little team, we are 5-6 pilots available and of course if someone is missing, we can't race... Doesn't matter, we must race another day, maybe one race after the other, but again, this is THE wipeout world cup :D

SaturnReturn
4th September 2009, 07:40 PM
Another element to the suggestion was that we take the month to try to organise and complete the 4v4 matches, and then at the end of the month have a "clean-up" period where everyone has to have their matches, whether they are only 3v3 or 2v2. This is a kind of plan B that could work. I still think this World Cup is really a first crack at the tournament from which to learn lessons for future tournaments. So it's probably the best time to experiment with an alternate plan if needed.

In terms of the points system - to be honest I'm not a huge fan of the current system where the total racing points decide the winner of the group because potentially Team A could win more matches than Team B and still lose on points. Doesn't seem right.

kaori
4th September 2009, 09:14 PM
Good idea Saturn, it's better.
I explain : tomorrow, 3 of our best players won't be able to race against North America. It will be unfair if I ask to our 7th & 8th player no play, because I will believe we have more chance to win with 3vs3 tournament !

OBH
4th September 2009, 09:20 PM
massively unlikely youd win more and not go through, but whatever you guys want.

3 points for a win it is.

Vartazian
4th September 2009, 10:21 PM
Absolutely under no circumstances should 2v2 be allowed.

A Punishment should be instituted for the team that needs to get 3 players for WWC. I dont see Soccer leagues cattering to teams with less members.

Im undecided on the new point system. it has equal pros and cons.

SaturnReturn
4th September 2009, 10:46 PM
Vartazian - isn't that a bit harsh? It's easy to say that when you have enough players yourself, but your own team has players from USA, Canada and El Salvador. Team Nordic isn't one nation, the Dutchmen have Connavar from Belgium. But some teams still couldn't get a full squad of 8.

Without the smaller teams there wouldn't be much of a competition. Without certain nations with affiliations joining forces and taking on players from elsewhere etc, the world cup would probably virtually be France vs. England.

Real life professional tournaments are different. This is a game played over the internet and people have real lives at the same time. We have to try and find some way to make this work. As I said, we can learn lessons from it and next time round we can do it differently, perhaps amalgamating teams with fewer players as a requirement or something.

I kind of agree that 2v2 is probably a little too far though. 3v3 should be fine. But I don't really want to start 'punishing' teams considering that this is a fairly loose and relaxed competition in general. There just aren't rigorous enough rules and procedures in place for that. Maybe in the future as the event develops there will be, but we're not at that point yet.

Vartazian
4th September 2009, 11:01 PM
Indeed I was merley stating my views on the way that WWC was being maintained. Last time I checked the requirement was a team of 8 racers to sign up. these teams that sign up with less players are therefore punished if Their lack of avaiable players is their downfall.

I have no problem with Team unisons. TFD Started it, NAWTy Followed and other teams are still picking up people that arent even from their zone. I dont have a problem with that if thats hwat they need for numbers.

But the fact that the first requirement was "Teams of 8" sign up. Then I dont see why a Punishment is unfair for breaking the first rule of sign up.

Its just my POV. I know people wont agree with me. But thats just the way I see things.

SaturnReturn
4th September 2009, 11:54 PM
It was never a rule:



National teams may consist of 8 pilots.

Vartazian
5th September 2009, 01:32 AM
Looks like I stand corrected then.

Mad-Ice
5th September 2009, 08:19 AM
Thank you all for replying again. Saturn a big up to you for making things clear and explaning it so nicely. Indeed it is the first time we are organising such a big event online. It is difficult but fun. We will learn a lot from it and it will be even better next year.

JJPAP
5th September 2009, 01:15 PM
Very much agree on the "new" point-system (3p for a victory - 1p for a draw). I must admit, I thought that was the case from the start ..... (I need glasses).
If two teams are equal after the group-matches, we can take a look at a the total amount of points to decide, wholl be the better placed team.
(Very easy for me to say, I know, after Team Nordic was battered in their first match by some islanders ... :g)

OBH
5th September 2009, 02:32 PM
Mad-Ice hit the nail on the head :g The first event always includes changes and new ideas. Things wil only improve.

Plus no doubt there will be a new breed of players to get involved next time, so more players and more nations hopefully.

Hopefully even xtriko will get his beloved portugese team together!! :g

As for the scoring, ive changed it to only 3 points, but we may aswell mention what the overall scores were. So a battering is on show for all to see!

Vartazian
5th September 2009, 09:02 PM
FINAL RESULTS FOR NORTH AMERICA vs FRANCE

NORTH AMERICA
Final Score = 281 PTS

France
Final Score = 182 PTS

Pilot Scores In Order

Vartazian - 91
Deepmix - 79
TarotCardKiller - 67
Asayyeah - 60
Kaori714 - 57
G-Superpilot - 46
FrostE - 34
Tug_14 - 11
Asymel - 8

MVP - Vartazian

Round 1 Scores (Forward)

North America - 145
France - 87

Round 2 Scores (Reverse)

North America - 136
France - 95

After some Amazing races and Some Awesome plasma shots (FrostE) North America emerged from the wreckage victorious over the Highly Praised French Pilots. Most of the People in the Races were flying AG SYSTEMS however 2 pilots chose to not go that route. FrostE in his Feisar and G-Superpilot in his Assegai.

Good racing had by All. We look forward to the next challnege!

OBH
5th September 2009, 10:14 PM
nice work!! some big french names missing but what a result none the less!! :g

can honestly say ive never raced deepmix. though to have finished ahead of Asayyeah and TCK he must be no slacker!

A great start for britain and our "less english" cousins :g

RedScar
5th September 2009, 10:41 PM
Grats NA team, I wish I could have raced with you guys.

Mad-Ice
6th September 2009, 06:14 AM
Congratulations to Team North America. What a great fight, a big thumbs up for Deepmix. I did not hear so much about you? What a way to introduce yourself. :rock
To bad for Team France, well they can not win everytime.

Greetz Mad-Ice

Hellfire_WZ
6th September 2009, 01:29 PM
GROUP B RESULT

Team England - 251
Team ANZ - 201

MVP - djkyoto (93)

Scorecard attached. We needed to switch to a 3v3 halfway through the first round.

djKyoto
6th September 2009, 02:16 PM
Scorecard attached.

name: hellfire_wz
team: team england
opposition: team nordic
round and date: group stage 1

Jez. :p

Congrats England. Tho getting MVP was nice. :)

Hellfire_WZ
6th September 2009, 02:25 PM
Bollocks, knew I'd miss something ;) Fixed

Amorbis
6th September 2009, 02:48 PM
You kept the points :) Makes me feel as though I contributed something. In the 4 races I did I had a good time, I won't blame Kigo for making me drop out, I'll blame whatever caused that to happen and I hope it doesn't happen to you again.

So whose next on the England hit list? The earlier we organise the less chance we'll have any problems.

TheFrostE
6th September 2009, 02:54 PM
USA wants a piece of England racers...you and your delicious Yorkshire Pudding
;p:rock

hn9354
6th September 2009, 03:26 PM
Group B Result for Japan VS Nordic

Team Japan - 307
Team Nordic - 156

MVP rerealm - 91


Forward Result:
Team Japan - 149
Team Nordic - 83

ttp://jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/wipeouthd/upl/1252174913-1.jpg

Reverse Result :
Team Japan - 158
Team Nordic - 73

ttp://jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/wipeouthd/upl/1252174913-2.jpg

Chaos80 was freezed in last Sol2 Reverse.

OBH
6th September 2009, 03:49 PM
Congrats England. Tho getting MVP was nice. :)

for you maybe! :g Killing me in the first race was an all time low! at least i won the 1on1 after! haha!

great racing though. was very, very tough. good luck to you guys for the rest of the show! :beer:rock

Mad-Ice
6th September 2009, 04:43 PM
Congrats to Team England and Team Japan. I think we are going to have a great battle between these two teams.

mic-dk
6th September 2009, 05:13 PM
Gratulations Team Japan! I'll have to talk to the Team Nordic teammanager about raising morale a bit after that one ;)

Watch out Scotland!

OBH
6th September 2009, 05:40 PM
Congrats to Team England and Team Japan. I think we are going to have a great battle between these two teams.

Im really looking forward to it! :g Faced rerealm a number of times recently, seriously quick, slightly worried though - i was in a fury ship and he was in a standard icaras!

will need to try and find the camera. todays battle was fierce, would have made a great video. next race will no doubt be no different :beer

JJPAP
6th September 2009, 08:31 PM
RESULT - WWC 09

Team Nordic 255p
Scotland 209p
(chaos80 86p - Rapier_Racer 77p - JJPAP 75p - TarquinFarqhuar 66p - Zoth-Ommog 55p - stin_wz 54p - machiasu 39p - Jimsin 12p)

Thanks a lot to Scotland for a brilliant night in WO-land :beer
Only 6 points difference after forward tracks - it was getting rather hot up here in the north, I tell you!

See you on the tracks, mates!

Rapier Racer
6th September 2009, 08:35 PM
Yeah... not the best start for team haggis really. :p

stin
6th September 2009, 08:39 PM
Aye, puir start there but, too too much climax!!!

Anyway, congrats to Nordic players!:beer

stevie:)

TarquinFarqhuar
6th September 2009, 08:46 PM
it was a damn fine event, well won you guys.. :nod
only wish i had done beta :donut

kaori
6th September 2009, 09:41 PM
Group A
---------------------------------
3rd) [ 3 points ] North American Wipeout Team
1st) [ 0 points ] Team France
2nd) [ 0 points ] The Flying Dutchmen
4th) [ 0 points ] Team Austria
5th) [ 0 points ] Team Italy

Hmmm haydn, be careful to not change the rank lol !
And Team France have scored 183 points yesterday, not 182.

jimsin
6th September 2009, 09:57 PM
Really enjoyed tonight, but must apologise for my lack of points - was having to run low on energy in an attempt to match the pace, but this left me somewhat vulnerable to elimination. Think I'd have been better going a little bit slower, and not being blown up by Nordic missiles!

It was definitely my most exciting Wipeout session to date though, and I shall be practicing solidly in the hope of being considered for the team again.

djKyoto
7th September 2009, 02:11 AM
:g Killing me in the first race was an all time low!

So bitter sweet. :g

OBH
7th September 2009, 01:40 PM
@kaori
Thank you kind sir! :g

@djkyoto
what do you a kiwi with a rocket up his bum? djs-gonna-poo-his-pants :)

djKyoto
7th September 2009, 01:59 PM
Resorting to name calling now are we? :p

OBH
7th September 2009, 02:07 PM
:eekMe!? Stoop so low!??....... too right :)

Mad-Ice
7th September 2009, 02:55 PM
Congratulations to Team Nordic! A big up to Rapier Racer. I haven't seen you around lately but you manage to score a lot of points. You are always a dangerous player on the tracks of Wipeout.

Rapier Racer
8th September 2009, 09:31 AM
Well thank you Mad your not too slow yourself you know! Just doing my best to help team Scotland on it's way :banzai

OBH
8th September 2009, 08:10 PM
Austria look like they unfortunately wont have the time to compete in the WWC. Shame, as Danterich, eLhabib and Mister_Mateo are funny guys, and very quick! :beer (not had the pleasure to race TaroBarkhan i dont think)

Its quite a gap to fill. I know jasmin-jade was very eager to enter a girls team. Im not sure how many of them there are, but its only team i can think of that wanted in off the top of my head.

mdhay
8th September 2009, 08:23 PM
@djkyoto
what do you a kiwi with a rocket up his bum? djs-gonna-poo-his-pants :)

I tend to call it fruit abuse.:g (Kiwis are too small to have heavy ordnance inserted into them :lol)

djKyoto
8th September 2009, 11:51 PM
Tisk tisk, children. :p

kaori
9th September 2009, 08:45 AM
Austria look like they unfortunately wont have the time to compete in the WWC. Shame, as Danterich, eLhabib and Mister_Mateo are funny guys, and very quick! :beer (not had the pleasure to race TaroBarkhan i dont think)

Its quite a gap to fill. I know jasmin-jade was very eager to enter a girls team. Im not sure how many of them there are, but its only team i can think of that wanted in off the top of my head.

Austria should fix a day and play all their matches in this day. And maybe they can recruit some german or others country neighbours players.

yeldar2097
9th September 2009, 12:49 PM
good plan kao. i know ProblemSolver, Constrictor4U and mizunoori are all very fast germans (off the top of my head...) so they might be able to help out :)
LaiN-85 is around quite often (i think??) so maybe he could fly the Austrian flag....?? plan? :D

OBH
9th September 2009, 01:56 PM
Oh yeah! Was only thinking the other day i havn't raced problemsolver yet (though watching him paste my brother repeateidly was quite a site :g)

Constrictor4U is ir racing against me every time im on i swear :)

Great idea.

Constrictor
10th September 2009, 06:01 PM
Err, well, OBH just pinged me on PSN ... Now I'm here and could not race hin ;-)

I'll contact ProblemSolver and mizunoori and some others I know.

Is there anyone left from Team Austria?

Stay tuned.

Constrictor
11th September 2009, 02:29 PM
Update: I spread the word and got feedback. There won't be a German team this year - I tried to organize one in February but I had to quit due to some long term and time consuming project ... . Today, w/ competition already started, most of those German phantom racers I contacted want to do it right. Means - practice, learn the tracks and train team-tournys to kick-ass in 2010.

Now for the imminent problem: I'm prepared to help - Infinity_1, too. As a stand-in or proxy to the Austrian (or any other) team that needs help. Catch is, that I'm only able to participate on a short notice. Say 24h before the event happens and only in the evening (GMT+1) on workdays - weekends may be different.

Plz feel free to PM me/us or open a new thread for stand-in pilots and I'll see if it will fit my schedule.

+hth
C4U

OBH
11th September 2009, 04:43 PM
Currently it doesnt matter. Just need a full roster.

kaori
11th September 2009, 10:09 PM
France won the meeting by 289 points to 175.

FR Wotan 95 points and 5 wins
FR kaori 83 points and 3 wins
FR G-Superpilot 68 points and 3 wins
IT ShawnFrecle 57 points and 3 wins
IT Nexus72 52 points and 1 win
IT assoartu64 35 points and 1 win
IT lory1969Vr 31 points
FR Asayyeah 25 points (reverse tournament)
FR Tug_14 18 points (normal tournament)

Good game to Italia, theses pilotes are fast, but they have too often exploden.

JJPAP
13th September 2009, 02:54 PM
TEAM NORDIC vs. TEAM ANZ - RESULT

Team Nordic 229 points
Team ANZ 235 points
(djKyoto 99p - Zoth-Ommog 70p - LUNA_bgd 67p - chaos80 66p - JJPAP 63p - trentdf 46p - machiasu 30p - guggle 23p)

Congrats to Team ANZ :beer

What an epic battle it was! Team Nordic was leading by 18 points after the forward tracks. Everything looked brilliant until Ubermall REV ... First 4 spots: ANZ :?
An inferno of murder and smoke - absolutely heavy metal!

Thx to Team ANZ and good luck :)

OBH
13th September 2009, 04:18 PM
Scores updated.
Now includes a red number next to players names in the roster to represent the number of MVP awards for that person, and...... annoyingly... djKyoto is winning :)

Also, if anyone knows of anyone wholl fill the big austrian gab be sure to let us know! :g

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 08:52 PM
Final Standings for NORTH AMERICA vs THE FLYING DUTCHMEN

Victor - North America

After a Grueling 16 track circut, Mines, Cannon and Rockets Ahoy. North America Emerged Victorius over the European Pirates. Saturns Icaras definately made a nice explosion when shot! The Races were close down until the very last point. Every point was fought for meter by bloody meter. Nobody slacked and Everyone had an absolute allstar performance. Lux was an Absolute speed demon on the tracks, FrostE had some great Quakes , Vart (which happens to mean speed by the way ;)) Was a Rocket Maniac and Yeldar was just straight up... Fast. Excellent racing all of you.

MVP = Yeldar2097

Pilot Scores
Yeldar2097 : 76
Deepmix: 74
TarotCardKiller : 70
Vartazian 63
Luxoflux: 52
SaturnReturn :50
Connavar: 46
TheFrostE:28

FINAL SCORES

North America : 237 PTS
The Flying Dutchmen : 228 PTS

Excellent racing had by all.

Connavar
13th September 2009, 08:56 PM
Great races, about the points there must be some mistake about mine,
I had 4+14 points = 18 for the 2nd tourney, and 28 for the 1st one,
so a total of 46 instead of 40, why is the sum incorrect?

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 08:57 PM
you didnt have 18 points in the end you had 12 + 4 = 16 ill fix that

Connavar
13th September 2009, 09:01 PM
I did 2 points on the last race, finishing 6th and I clearly remember seeing "14"
on the screen, last and 1 point behind SaturnReturn with 15, so I had 18 for
sure.

Not that it matters, but let's make things right :)

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 09:01 PM
I made sure t get teh Dutch scores right. unless you have some evidence. Im gonna need to see a final scoreboard. if that is the case we have a tie.

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 09:05 PM
Connavar's right about the score. I got it on video. I'll go through carefully and add up all scores. Just give me a bit of time. I don't want to get this wrong. I will upload all videos eventually too.

Back soon......Oooooh the drama.

Connavar
13th September 2009, 09:06 PM
Unfortunately I didnt take a picture but I swear that I had 14 points at the end,
and i'm 100% sure because I remember:
- I had 12 points after on uber rev, finished last.
- I finished #6
- I saw myself having 14 points on the rankings
- I saw myself being 1 point under Saturn on the rankings

Also, I+Deep shared the 4th place on Vineta, this was confirmed by myself
and TarotCardKiller.

(I don't know the scores of other racers, but I paid attention to my own...)

Now I think the total is correct, and maybe you swapped some positions
among dutchmen. Maybe we should ask everyone to give their final score.

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 09:08 PM
Sorry its not my intent to Mess up the scores (DRAT THEY ARE ON TO ME) The whole haveing like 7 seconds to write them down coupled with THe fact that the scores are messed up from the whole Ven K incident. Ill re-add everything now that another person says 14 let me re add these scores.

Double checking my math here.... I have a new score. TFD 233, NA 237.

Connavar
13th September 2009, 09:14 PM
Don't worry, it's understandable!
I know that we lost, I mean you did a full house on the last race, so I'm not
contesting this, just wanted to fix a small detail ;)

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 09:15 PM
I got 228 vs. 237. I'm pretty sure 'North' America wins.

The total of that is 464+1 for the extra point due to the draw. That all adds up. Well done guys. Was too close!

Connavar
13th September 2009, 09:18 PM
Yeah that seems correct, 9 points difference, and on the last race:

NA scored 8+6+5+4 = 23 points,
while we scored 3+2+1 = 6 points,

losing 17 points in the process, so basically we were +8 before SOL 2R,
and then -9 after it, hahaha.

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 09:20 PM
Well I suck at math XD. Well done though both teams. I look forward to racing you guys next year ;)

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 09:24 PM
We're not done with you guys yet. See you in the final. ;)

You're right Connavar. We were both in first and second place on Sol2 as well until that quake came. Never mind. We put up a good fight. We can kick ourselves today, but tomorrow we shall pick ourselves up and prepare ourselves for Italy next weekend. Then we move onto Team France. A little bit of practice and more concentration (from me at least on reverse tracks) and we can have our day against the French.

This isn't the end of The Flying Dutchmen.:pirate

yeldar2097
13th September 2009, 09:25 PM
Sorry bout the forward tracks boys, was still waking up/forgot to unleash my plan...

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 09:27 PM
No worries yeldar, save it for the French ;)

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 09:28 PM
Sorry bout the forward tracks boys, was still waking up/forgot to unleash my plan...

Im so Disappointed... I didnt kill you!

yeldar2097
13th September 2009, 09:35 PM
That's because I was too far behind you, HA!

Info
I was eliminated by my own team more than by the other team
Video's uploading to youtube
I got to Subsonic w/ internal view while playing zone between rounds (til you guys disturbed me... :P)
Before the match we predicted that if I was mvp TFD wouldn't win (sorta ;) )
Ag-sys suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Good fun, let's do it again in the final :g

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 09:38 PM
Well I did tell you to keep your shields up. If there are two members of the opposite team behind me and I have a bomb, what am I supposed to do...not drop it on you...I mean...not drop it on them? Pfft!

Vartazian
13th September 2009, 09:50 PM
Ooooooo Wipeout world cup "Fun Facts" with yeldar!

yeldar2097
13th September 2009, 09:53 PM
I DID KEEP MY SHIELDS UP

Every time I don't BR when I had enough % I shed a tear - I was nearly drowning by the end...

KIGO1987
13th September 2009, 10:13 PM
Right. When are you cocky yanks going to start to practice race team Aus? Tarotcardkiller sent me a message over the PSN yesterday. Im up for it for sure. Given that my ISP isnt being an absolute ****ing **** again, like it was before. Cant even have a stable voice chat session, how cunty is that. Anyway im up for it. You folk message Cowboy too, he's up for it too, along with Luna:)

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 10:56 PM
Here is the results breakdown.

Small results for PSP users:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TheFlyingDutchmenvsTeamAmericasmall.jpg

Large Results for no particular good reason:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TheFlyingDutchmenvsTeamAmericalarge.jpg?t=12528823 29

And a graph to visualize how it evolved and just how close it was:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TheFlyingDutchmenvsTeamAmericaGraph.jpg?t=12528823 29

The excel file is also attached for anyone that wants the memento, or, like me, find making tables and graphs soothing and relaxing after losing (or winning) a match.

I'll start uploading videos overnight, so look out for them on my youtube channel (cheap plug :P).

http://www.youtube.com/user/chiliharvs

RedScar
13th September 2009, 10:58 PM
Team America?
SOOOOO tempting to make that reference lol

Grats NA team, didn't get a PM so didn't think you needed me to cover for anyone. Glad you guys had some awesome races and came out on top.

SaturnReturn
13th September 2009, 11:04 PM
I thought it would be a cool name because it would include Deepmix and also be appropriate based on the destruction you lot bring.

Well done again guys. I'm mostly over feeling gutted now (thanks to the graph!) and on reflection, it was a lot of fun. It's also nice to see that there's another team around that can tear it up with England and France etc. If we don't meet again in this tournament, then make sure we're first in line for a 'friendly' revenge grudge match. :)

KIGO1987
13th September 2009, 11:17 PM
Here is the results breakdown.

Small results for PSP users:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TheFlyingDutchmenvsTeamAmericasmall.jpg



See, thats what happens when you smoke weed kids ;)

Vartazian
14th September 2009, 12:36 AM
looking at that chart. I never won a single race. Came in second a helluva lot though... Nice work sat!

yeldar2097
14th September 2009, 02:57 AM
First 10 Races (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=18F9C39BE6264F9D)

uploading the rest now

@Vart: You want to watch race 8, it'll make you happy :P

RedScar
14th September 2009, 03:20 AM
Great videos yeld

Vartazian
14th September 2009, 03:45 AM
Alright that was awesome. Go uploads Yeld d('-'d)

djKyoto
14th September 2009, 05:23 AM
Now includes a red number next to players names in the roster to represent the number of MVP awards for that person, and...... annoying... djKyoto is winning :)

http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/awesome.gif

KIGO1987
14th September 2009, 08:04 AM
K. NA wants to do a few practice session with us.

What the plan Cowboy? You up for a Fri/Sat session?

OBH
14th September 2009, 12:42 PM
Wow, what a close race! :) congratulations to the NA team!

All of a sudden the Dutch vs France match has got that little bit more interesting :)

@djKyoto
Milk it as much as you can my friend! it wont stay that way! :g

SaturnReturn
14th September 2009, 05:13 PM
Videos from my POV are now available for the forward tracks.

The Flying Dutchmen vs. NAWT: First Half (http://www.youtube.com/user/chiliharvs#play/user/E48E8384DB969E29/0/thd_fW-fNN8)

The music failed on the first track - sorry. :(

Mad-Ice
14th September 2009, 06:23 PM
Congratulations to the NA team. What a close results, amazing! Big thumbs up for everyone who raced. We did a good job pirates.

Greetz Mad-Ice

TheFrostE
14th September 2009, 07:59 PM
i am in heavy training mode now...was poor performance by me that time, sorry team, but i pulled back for the last few ^_^ and we won!

@ dutch- i almost **** myself numerous times guys....so intense!

yeldar2097
14th September 2009, 09:16 PM
I swore at you several times FrostE, that's a good enough result :P

:g

Rest of the videos are up on YouTube :)

Vartazian
17th September 2009, 06:52 PM
Just a question. if Austrai Drops out (since it looks like this german team isnt coming to fruition) Does everyone in bracket A get "3 pts" for an auto win? Im wondering how were going to keep this Scoreboard fair.

yeldar2097
17th September 2009, 06:57 PM
would that make a difference though? i don't follow :)

SaturnReturn
17th September 2009, 07:23 PM
Yeah, I can't see how it makes a difference.

Amorbis
17th September 2009, 07:42 PM
Everyone getting 3 points is the equivalent to everyone get 0 points, the difference is exactly the same :P. Team Austria has yet to race so if they do drop it out it won't make much of a difference to the 3 remaining teams. It's a shame for them to have to drop out, a dark horse in the competition I would have thought.

Vartazian
17th September 2009, 10:56 PM
Sot he pts dont carry onto the final scores to determine a winner? thats wy I was wondering.

OBH
18th September 2009, 12:12 AM
im confused what your tring to ask.

they have played no games and got 0 points, and total race points dont go towards a grand point tally so your not missing out on that either.

SaturnReturn
18th September 2009, 06:39 PM
Vartazian seems to have been thinking that the points teams have at the end of the group phase would carry over to the knockout phase, somehow, to determine the ultimate winner as the team with most points.
This doesn't happen Vartazian, as it's a straight knockout tournament after the first round - so if you lose, you lost. It works the same as the football World Cup. You know football right? It's the sport where you get from one end of the pitch to the other and score goals by kicking a ball with your foot. :P

ShawnFrecle
19th September 2009, 04:40 PM
About the Austria Team... We can make a team composed by the second line of yours teams, players that are reserves, but haven't race yet... There are many French, English active in this forum. Just to make the 10th team, and of course races will be in a single day only probably, but can't be :P ?

trentdf
20th September 2009, 02:55 PM
Results for ANZ v JPN

ANZ:234, JPN:214
MVP- djkyoto

lol apologies for the shittynes, im a retard with comps. :p

SaturnReturn
20th September 2009, 08:56 PM
Results of The Flying Dutchmen vs Team Italy

TFD 296 vs. 168 ITA

MVP - SaturnReturn :)

Thanks for playing everyone

Large scoresheet:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TFDvsITAlarge.jpg

Here's the small score sheet:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TFDvsITA.jpg

djKyoto
20th September 2009, 11:59 PM
Cheers for the scorechart trentdf. Good races Japan. Getting blown up in the last race had me worried. :g


MVP- djkyoto

I did it just for you OBH, love ya mate. ;)

OBH
21st September 2009, 09:23 AM
For god sake. djKyoto MVP again? Need to put a stop to this, he's gonna start thinking he's good or something :)

Scores updated
congratulations all! I really thought japan had ANZs number.

Vartazian
21st September 2009, 09:35 AM
Seeing as how NA is Rank 1 in A and ANZ is Rank 2 for B.

Ill gladly send Kyoto's ship to the scrapyard for you OBH. that is until You are racing me as well...

djKyoto
21st September 2009, 12:01 PM
Me against the world it seems. :p

Sure, no prob. Rock on! :rock

eLhabib
21st September 2009, 12:36 PM
You got'em covered, bro ;)

yeldar2097
21st September 2009, 02:47 PM
9 wins saturn? WTF :dizzy

(sub-total cell is wrong for the rev tracks - says 'sub total fwd' on both) :g

Mad-Ice
21st September 2009, 05:21 PM
Congrats to Team ANZ. I thought that Team Japan would win, but no! So big up to Team ANZ. Job well done!!

Yeah Yeldar I know what you are talking about! SaturnReturn was in tha zone dude, unstoppable. I am really happy for him. The rest of our team did ok and we fought hard but he just saved us all.

Aye pirates, well done.

SaturnReturn
24th September 2009, 02:10 PM
Thanks guys. But most of my wins I had a Dutchman behind me anyway. I stole a couple by only hundredths of a second thanks to last moment boosts too. Overall it was a very good team performance. I hope we can replicate this against France. :hyper

OBH
24th September 2009, 04:50 PM
The end of the group stage is fast approaching!

And the highlights of the first few weeks are!! :rock: -

NMA with the first big scalp - The mighty French!
ENG and NMA are the only 2 undefeated teams. (and if it continues this way Vartizan wont get his eager pop at me till the final! :g)
Team Austria HQ exploded in an inferno of naked cheerleaders, and rightfully so - the teams priorities quickly changed!! :D I like to think yeldar executed a well thought out sabotage mission :)
ENG 321 NORDIC 143 was the biggest win so far (and the opening match no less)
NMA 237 TFD 233 was the closest game!
bumface.... err.... djKyoto sorry! (:g) has a massive 3 MVPs, no other player has more than one!
SaturnReturn with a massive 9 wins in a single event.
Though i did not see it, FrostE appears to have been the most deadly shot on the track so far.
ANZ came up with the biggest upset so far beating those mighty fast Japs! (lets hope scotland dont top it by beating England!)


Been hugely enjoyable so far, and no doubt the best is still to come :rock

(had an idea earlier today to have an American style "All Star" race after the final including the top 8 players with the most MVPs? :))

borell
24th September 2009, 06:14 PM
I like this Cup, the first big event of WoZ online!

It seems that you have a lot of fun in the cup!
For sure, it is fun on the spectators' side -- the victories, the losses and the unexpected. :rock

guillaume
25th September 2009, 10:23 AM
Me too, I'm following this closely!
Congrats everyone!

djKyoto
25th September 2009, 01:16 PM
bumface.... err.... djKyoto sorry! (:g) has a massive 3 MVPs, no other player has more than one!

Can't help yourself can't you? :P

yeldar2097
25th September 2009, 02:37 PM
bumface.... err.... djKyoto sorry! (:g) has a massive 3 MVPs, no other player has more than one!

Not all of us are HOGGING THE LIMELIGHT by playing every match. We let other people play :P
teehee ;)

OBH
25th September 2009, 07:03 PM
Or can only field 3 players :) haha, its all good though.
Awesome that the whole tournies been in good spirit. Grat stuff so far. :)


Can't help yourself can't you? :P

I never let an oportunity pass be by my freind!! :g:D:pirate

@borell
Should have got involved! :) still can if you can find 3 players, and play 3 matches veeery quickly! :g

borell
26th September 2009, 10:55 AM
I would if I could, Osama... but I do not even own a PS3. :eek

Cheers

OBH
26th September 2009, 04:32 PM
Result:
ENG 227 JPN 234
MVP :reach-big7

Well played japan! Lag was everywhere, weapon pads werent working, but still some awesome racing! and first competative loss for ENG.

Hate to be a sore loser, but going from 2nd to last on SC Rev cos i fell THROUGH THE FLOOR! in the tunnel repeatidly just ruined me, respawns were doing the same. Man im fuming! but hey ho.

Still good game all!! :) going to fix my annoyance with copious amounts of alchohol :beer

edit:
just realised we could potentially now have a 3 way tie. what are we going to do then!! cant have total point tally cos ANZ have had 3 players mostly.

yeldar2097
26th September 2009, 04:36 PM
i hope someone other than dutchmen are recording these here matches...
mewants to watch :g

Big-up reach-big7 :+

Amorbis
26th September 2009, 04:43 PM
Good racing from the Japanese, ended up very close. I know that we had a few mess ups :(.

The 3 way tie is a bit strange if it does happen. I wouldn't underestimate the Scots just yet though :).

XBARNSTERX
26th September 2009, 04:53 PM
!st tourny was great, 2nd ****ing awful.
Weapon pads where laggy as well as ship position being all over the place:blarg

Was great racing though all round, most enjoyable:D
Great racing from Japan, congrats:+

SaturnReturn
26th September 2009, 06:02 PM
Wow! What a close result. Were there some DNFs? There seem to be 2 points missing.

OBH
26th September 2009, 06:40 PM
Yes, me. :) After spawing in the floor 5 times in a row i paused the game, and kicked my bed post a few times :)

SaturnReturn
26th September 2009, 06:42 PM
LOOL! :brickwall Does the pause button do anything online? Or did everyone else just keep on going? Anything's worth a try eh? :P

OBH
26th September 2009, 06:51 PM
All keeps going :) tho if you take a pic it goes back to where it was.

should have taken a photo thinking about it now! at the time the last thing you think of "ill take a pic of my ruined race" :) nevermind!

hn9354
26th September 2009, 07:28 PM
Sorry..., ALL.
It calculated again.

Group B Result for Japan VS England

Team Japan - 234
Team England - 230

MVP reach-big7 - 86


Forward:
Team Japan - 108
Team England - 124

ttp://jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/wipeouthd/upl/1253985329-1.jpg


ubermall SS + sol2 result.

1 osama-bin-haydn 36 + 8
2 reach-big7 39 + 6
3 XBARNSTERX 32 + 5
4 Amorbis 25 + 4
5 Peh-Hok 11 + 3
6 rerealm 28 + 2
7 Yamamo101so6 24 + 1
8 EdelWeiss 8 + 0


Reverse:
Team Japan - 126
Team England - 106

ttp://jp-wipeout.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/wipeouthd/upl/1253985329-2.jpg

reach-big7
26th September 2009, 07:46 PM
Thank you everyone for great races:D

djKyoto
27th September 2009, 01:32 AM
Dammit OBH, you slacker. :P
Totally did not see that result comming. Congrats Japan!

Great, so ENG beat AUS, AUS beat JPN and JPN beat ENG.

Now look what you've gone and done. :pirate

OBH
27th September 2009, 11:32 AM
I was waiting for the inevitable piss taking :)

Hate blaming a loss on a single race (well 2 really, moa rev we had top 3 places till rerealm in 4th got 2 quakes on the final lap), but sc rev was the worst falling from grace ever.

On the bright side, makes the tourny more tense than ever :)

SaturnReturn
27th September 2009, 09:29 PM
Results of The Flying Dutchmen vs Dirty Frenchies

TFD 251 vs. 213 FRA

MVP - yeldar2097 & Luxoflux (equal scores):)

Thanks for playing everyone

Large scoresheet:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TFDvsFRAlarge.jpg?t=1254086361

Here's the small score sheet:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/SitarHero/TFDvsFRAsmall.jpg?t=1254086362

It looked like fate was going to play a big part today - with Mad-Ice out with suspected food poisoning, me in but with suspected swine flu (I just got a fever now :(), Connavar AWOL with suspected alcohol poisonining, and Luxoflux possibly out early with suspected brain damage from too much studying ;). Nonetheless in the end fate and possibly luck was on the side of the Dutchmen. Well played to the French. Based on the first 2 races I was really thinking us Dutchies were going to get a spanking. The restart when G-Superpilot disconnected seemed to help us out, as Connavar showed up just in the nick of time to throw some weapons the way of the French. Man that was one crazy match.:pirate

Connavar
27th September 2009, 10:11 PM
(delete, wrong topic)

ShawnFrecle
27th September 2009, 11:29 PM
So, last game of the group...

Italy Vs NAM 165 to 299

Here's the small sheet
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/ShawnFrecle/Immagine.jpg?t=1254093971

MVP Of the Game:

TarotCardKiller 103 Points, followed close by Vartazian 101

These guys were unstoppable for us, congrats to Team American :D

yeldar2097
27th September 2009, 11:59 PM
Well done to kaori for being the only person never to finish last :clap

NAWT Vs. Italy = oO overkill much? great stuff!

...I bet Italy were more stylish though :P

Vartazian
28th September 2009, 12:01 AM
I can guarantee you that While I race from here on in TCK is a target. He Clearly Backstabbed me.

Cannons, Missiles, Bombs, Rockets. I saw what he did, im not forgetting either.

Im not happy. Im considering dropping from the team because of this.

TarotCardKiller
28th September 2009, 12:14 AM
That is nonsense. You should know better than that.

djKyoto
28th September 2009, 12:28 AM
Now now, you're spose to be a team. Can't you's just get along? :D

You're doing so well atm.

As for AUNZ vs Scotland, it has been postponed due to lack of players on the scots side, will be played this weekend. Leaving everything to the last moment are we? :P

yeldar2097
28th September 2009, 12:34 AM
Mind games dj, mind games...them scots are crafty :P

@NAWT:
I'm pretty sure you guys are all on the same team so it seems (ever so) counter-intuitive to gun for each other.
I'm not going to take sides (we Dutch are chilled folks) but I'm pretty sure TCK wouldn't deliberately sabotage his own teammates' races. As a matter of fact he often risks his own race in order to help out the team (and those on the receiving end AKA me won't thank him for it).
See here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCXxfZQIP6A&feature=related) as the dastardly TCK thwarts the gallant and charming yeldar, thereby ending his hopes to win teH race.

That said I know sometimes people hit their own teammates during matches. I remember more than one International match where my own team eliminated me more than our opponents did. It happens.

/rant

KIGO1987
28th September 2009, 12:40 AM
Var vs. TCK / Canada vs. USA

Sounds very competitive, should be interesting :D

KGB
28th September 2009, 08:45 AM
See here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCXxfZQIP6A&feature=related) as the dastardly TCK thwarts the gallant and charming yeldar, thereby ending his hopes to win teH race.

Now I have this image of TCK :)

Vartazian
28th September 2009, 09:13 AM
KGB if I could fly where you live... I would hug you right now.

OBH
28th September 2009, 09:20 AM
Dont go dropping from the team cos of one race you bumder :) Teammates have dealt me hammer blows nearly every race!

MAssive congratulations to both NAWT and TFD!! :D There was always going to be one big, big scalp taken from that group, though amazing it could be the mighty fast french!

Edit:
How could i forget - but well played to the italians as well :) despite losses you guys battled hard, and the tourny couldnt have worked without you! :g