Zone Zeus

[xxShivenxx]

I swear to god this trophy is out to get me.

I'm nearing 30 times hitting zone 69, and its getting to the point where i can CONSISTANTLY hit zone 69... then it all goes haywire and I die.

Hell even Zico was easier than this :frown:

this was more or less a vent post, because seeing those numbers come up so often is really starting to **** me up the wall... not to mention i STILL haven't broken 70, and i've been practicing at least 5 times a day, every day for the last month...

starting to drive me a little crazy...

Other than 'stay off the wall' are there any good tips... like... oh... skipping 5 or so zones? :lol

[Vartazian]

Anulpha Pass.

Done.

[xxShivenxx]

i'm on anulpha pass... doesn't make it any easier...

[BlochNWhitey]

I honestly found anulpha pass reverse a little easier.. >>

[Darkdrium777]

Those coloured lines on the track. Focus on them as if they were the actual walls of the track.
Keep at it.
Focus on something else than the fact you've been stuck at 69.

You'll get it soon :)

[ProblemSolver]

Dude, you are practicing far too much! Four runs a day are sufficient.
And if you don't succeed with those four runs, then you won't do it within
the next runs either (most likely).


PS: And please, don't open up a new thread for each headache you got
from WipEout. Thx.

[XBARNSTERX]

was exactly the same 69 70 all the time up till late trying to do it, problemsolver is right its way to much. Realising this i left it for a few days came back to early one day about ten and managed it first go was so much easier with a clearer head

[Darkdrium777]

PS: And please, don't open up a new thread for each headache you got from WipEout. Thx.wat (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=4893&starteronly=1)..

[djKyoto]

Trying turning the music off, may help you focus better.

[ProblemSolver]

@XBARNSTERX:
Doing only four runs is what works best for me, at least. Usually, the (my)
first run is quite good, but the second one isn't. The third one is the best
one most of the time, and the fourth one is simply just another try.

@Darkdrium777:
as a preventive :nod
(most of the time it starts off like xxShivenxx did -- "... this was more or
less a vent post ...". Well actually, it's a vent thread.)

[stin]

Try to stay on a line!, in a middle of a roa......track!;) works for me.

stevie:)

[KIGO1987]

Trying turning the music off, may help you focus better.

I thought you play zone mode with some trance playing maxed out??:cowboy:D

[DividedXZero]

I'm stuck at 64-66..though i just never put the effort into getting this trophy until recently (last couple of days).

Same thing with Zico, which i got last night after a few tries...

But i tell ya...those last 15 zones seem to just creep by and drag out...lol
But soon enough with more practice i'm sure i will get it...though i'm not one to desperately obtain all possible trophies, but with WOHD, its just a gratifying set to obtain. :)

[KIGO1987]

1st time i hit Zone75, this is what i did.

Dimm the TV to a lower brightness setting, becomes less distracting.

As the W3SE HUD is better and less distracting with all that **** on the screen.

Hope this might help you out.

[Spece2goin]

i'm a bit new here and i already know what the wall zone 60 to 75 is...

Problemsolver just kept saying it... this and much more advice.

keep trying that's all...

[KIGO1987]

Be kind to your controller as well Spece2goin. If you break them they cost a heap to replace. lol. Keep practicing.

[silverfoxy]

Something I found hindered me was that when I hit the walls at zone 60+ I would start to panic and it would lead to more mistakes. If you hit a wall just try and get to the middle of the track asap and don't let it bother you.

I'd also get excited when the woman says "zone 70 clear". You know then its only 40 seconds away.

But as others have said its just practice practice practice. The colours of supersonic are beautiful (on forward anyway, pretty dull on reverse) and well worth making the effort to get there.

[yeldar2097]

I agree that turning the sound off: the first time you do it just forget about enjoying it, just get it done and appreciate the colour when you get there.

After that you can crank the sound up to max and enjoy the ride even more :P

[Rubix42]

Way I first cracked the barrier was to pause the game on the straight leading into the new lap at zone 60. Drink a glass of water, blink to get moisture back on my eyes, let me heartrate get back down. Then go back for the last leg of the run feeling refreshed. It takes a long time and it mentally wears you down. Taking a break helps.

[ProblemSolver]

I would not consider to turn off the music as long as your favorite tracks are
playing. Of course, I also tried to run without music but it doesn't work for me.
All of my current records were done with music turned on.

Well, the real power of music is that it triggers emotions. Given these emotions
and the right rhythm will definitely increases your mental power. And at some
instances you really feel unbeatable if everything is in place -- no matter what
zone you are currently onto.

[DividedXZero]

Well, the real power of music is that it triggers emotions. Given these emotions
and the right rhythm will definitely increases your mental power. And at some
instances you really feel unbeatable if everything is in place

Spoken like a capoeirista! ;)

I apply the same to that as i do with Wipeout. :)
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[Glaciuscreations]

I got to zone 74,8 ! last night yes i was 0,2 zones away about 2 secs and i LOST , =( it made me scream and shout and smasha cardboard box into nothin xD but i wont give up :D

glac

[KIGO1987]

Hahahahahahahahahaha......hahahahaha, sorry to laugh about your misfortune, just that this came to mind when you said your story.

Zone 75 attempt on Analpha Pass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cKyUA43Wk&feature=channel_page)

[silverfoxy]

Unlucky Glacius. It will make it all the more sweeter when you do get there !! Keep trying !!

Kigo - any joy with Moa yet ??

[KIGO1987]

Still locked on Zone67 on Moa, still yet to get zues on Moa. Just thinking Zone Zues should be possible on Vertica.... if that was a track on HD.

Got exams next two weeks, so any new attempts on Zone Zues Moa Therma and Zico Analpha Pass are going to be called off to later on in the month;)

[silverfoxy]

Kigo - now whats more important.....doing exams or playing Wipeout. You really need to get your priorities right young man !!

In all seriousness, good luck with them, sure you will do fine.

[Glaciuscreations]

Hahahahahahahahahaha......hahahahaha, sorry to laugh about your misfortune, just that this came to mind when you said your story.

Zone 75 attempt on Analpha Pass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cKyUA43Wk&feature=channel_page)

haha tbh that was how i was :P that carboardbox got nailed xD and i was screaming and shouting at 8 a clock at night , neibhours must think i was nuts aha

But i did Zico long time ago so im glad thats out of the way :D
My video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O877da7BrTs

I will make it today i wont give u p
glac

[KIGO1987]

Damn, im still yet to get Zico done, on either of my accounts. Done Zone Zeus on both accounts, just not Zico. That tediously slow venom speed just gives me the incredible shiits, after like 2laps of it, doing 100laps of it would drive me to insanity, i simple dont have the concentration for those stupid speeds.

[Glaciuscreations]

omg!!!!!!!!s o happy right now got 78 ZONES :D

played alot of times even recorderd it well happy now ,
just 3 more trophies and PLatinum here i come :D


glac

[Moriarty79]

If i use both airbrakers in straight, the speed decreases?
Anyone use this trick?

[Darkdrium777]

No that does not work in Zone. Holding both airbrakes can do this in other modes, but not in Zone.

[mic-dk]

Not really - it's in the turns I need to reduce speed :)

[ProblemSolver]

If i use both airbrakers in straight, the speed decreases?
Anyone use this trick?
The speed doesn't decrease, the acceleration is simply a bit slower.

[guillaume]

Seriously? Do you know by how much margin you can improve your zone/score by doing this as much as you can?

[ProblemSolver]

I can tell you exactly. The gain is 0.
With respect to the score, the most important thing in ZONE is a perfect
lap. Doing perfect laps is a bit easier in lowers zones, right? Hence, as long
as the number of zones is low you have to run around the track as fast as
possible (using every speed pad) such that you can do a lot of perfect laps
until it becomes a bit more difficult. Further, pulling both airbrakes at
higher speeds will almost always offsets the craft for the worse. But there
is something to slow down the craft for a brief moment worth considering.
Once you get air-time the craft slows down considerably at very high
speeds (zones). In some situation this can be very helpful.

[guillaume]

Makes sense! :)

And if you're trying to achieve maximum zone? Would it help then?

[Spece2goin]

no, it wont,

because reaching a Zone is being able to handle your craft at this speed.
braking for a moment won't help you to pass the turns that will come in next few seconds!
remember, its less that 2 zones a lap, mabe 1 at higher zones! by saving 2 seconds like this on the overpass, you will not gain any zone if you crash in the narrow section on AP for exemple.

at least, it can help you finishing a perfect zone befor hitting the wall but you have no control on where on the track a zone starts and finish so...

[ProblemSolver]

@guillaume:


... Further, pulling both airbrakes at higher speeds will almost always
offsets the craft for the worse. ...
This.

Additionally, at a given high enough speed, the slow down due to the
airbrakes makes no real noticeable difference. The time one needs to
pull both airbrakes and to readjust the craft after this action will send
you right into a wall. ;)

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@Spece2goin: True dat is.

Btw; I know perfectly where a zone starts and ends. :nod Have you ever
watched the 'moving dots' on the HUD? They show you how close you
are to the next zone. Further, the 'ZONE' writing flashes whenever you
did a perfect zone. I always keep an (indirect) eye on both things. It's
essential for various reasons like shield, points, psyche,....

[guillaume]

It's all good then, thanks for the details. :)

[Spece2goin]

i just noticed the dots last week, on my attemps to Zeus!
i wish they were bigger and RED, and this part of the HUD not going out of the screen when taking a pad.
Better if it's easier to see you have only 2s to go to have your 10 shield points back before rubbing the wall, if not, the 1 point for touching the side is like 11...

that doesn't change the fact that slowing your ship on the straight line won't be efficient each lap, but only if it can make you stand till the end of the current zone.

[ProblemSolver]

Don't know if looking at the HUD below Zeus is worth the effort on AP,
but at higher zones it will. Anyways, did you know that one can turn off
the HUD effect? ;) I mean this effect is kick ass, but not for very high
zone runs (depending on the track, as always).

[Reezy]

Just broke the 200k barrier but not zone zeus yet! 203k and 73 zones. I think i'm nearly there :)

Edit: Oh man, got to zone 70 with 44 health remaining. Then on zone 73/4 I was on around 25 health and hit a barrier going onto the bridge, then I fell off again, and then I crashed once more redoing the corner before the bridge. In the result screen the total time was 12:31.70. That should be 75 zones :O

[novide]

Unbelievable - done the zeus-trophy on anulpha pass reverse... :hyper

[mcgra]

*sigh* My eyes were almost bleeding by about 3am last night and the best I managed was 73, two flipping zones off! :turd

I'll get there yet.

[ProblemSolver]

@Reezy: Yeah I know what you are talking about. xD
12:31.70 > Zone 75? Not always. The zone-counter doesn't increase
if the craft is standing still.

@novide: For the first time (the zeus trophy)?

@mcgra: Keep going! SUPERSONIC is awwwww!

[novide]

@novide: For the first time (the zeus trophy)?


yes - often i tried to do the trophy at anulpha pass forward, i reached there
only 70 zones... the overpass is very hard for me on highspeed...

[silverfoxy]

I think that the reverse of AP is easier than forward. The little chicane before the pass is easier on reverse and as you said you don't need to worry about getting on the bridge. Plus I find the last corner (first on forward) easier.

[ProblemSolver]

@novide: Nice in doing it on the reverse track.

I'm going for Zone Zeus on Metropia....

[sh1kamaru-]

@ProblemSolver : wow that would be awesome, just reached subsonic there a few minutes ago. What really makes me angry is that magnetic field in the middle of the track. Don't know why I keep doing pinball against the walls after super zen :-(

Concerning the Hud I never noticed it, I prefer concentrate on my lines, especially after mach 1 where a single perfect lap can really help you get to supersonic. But I guess once you get used to supersonic it's worth the effort :)

[RedScar]

YA Just got that mofo trophy. AP forward with 76 zones. Took three try tonight, 69, 72 (almost cried cause I somehow pulled off a BR accidentally when I missed the bridge, I would have made 75 that try) and finally 76.

Problem Solver is now an idol in my mind for reaching what he has reached. That said I am now liking Zone, since I seem to becoming worse and worse at MP races with all these good racers. I've got a target, now I just have to get better from 60-70.

[ProblemSolver]

@RedScar: An idol?! :eek :redface: You mean I can retire and you will silently
take over my records? :naughty xD Now that you got to zone 76 :clap your
next target should be zone 100. Yeah, zone 100 separates the men
from the boys! :g

@sh1kamaru-: "What really makes me angry is that magnetic field in
the middle of the track. Don't know why I keep doing pinball against the
walls after super zen ..."

Let me describe two issues.
With version 1.30 the ZONE craft is now a bit more agile (http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6078), which has lead
to a better control upon cornering. But unfortunately, it is now much
more difficult to align the craft perfectly at a given "line". At very small
steering angles the craft is unstable, meaning, a small steering input
leads to a "large" (and abrupt) turning of the craft. The problem worsens
as the speed goes up. There is even a small dead-zone on using the stick.
In my mind, the steering is flawed for very small inputs.
The second issue is that the craft sticks like chewing gum to a wall if you
hit hard. It seems like that shortly after impact no input gets registered.
Whether you want to steer, to airbrake, or to side-shift away, nothing
happens! Half a second later every input gets registered again and you
will smash straight into to the other side because you already pull the
triggers like crazy to get away from the current impact. xD
I thing that's worth a 'bug-report'....

Back to Metropia. Controlling the craft down the mag stripe (i.e. keeping
it straight) is a bit more difficult now due to the given steering issue.
Lately I did a 61 / 42 on Metropia to put some pressure on Carro-Armato
and / or silverfox073 ;) (they battle each other over at Sebenco) in
forcing them to race at Metropia again to see whether they can improve
their amount of perfect zones or not. Quite interesting, Carro-Armato did
69 zones a few days thereafter, but with only 42 perfect zones. Further,
silverfox073 did a '61 / 40' and kingheim a '63 / 40'. If I put this in
perspective to Wellington86 (66 / 47) and Ave_Fausto (67 / 46), who
both did their records under version 1.2x, I get the feeling that
Carro-Armato, silverfox073, and kingheim have experienced the same
issue.

So squeezing 47+ perfect zones out of Metropia will be quite a tough job
to do. Btw: Metropia is also the last (forward) track where no new record
was set since February.

Here is what I'm going to do (high speed assumed); Slightly before the
mag stripe I will align the craft tangentially with the right-hand (floor)
color stripe during cornering, leading to a perfect entry (in theory xD).
To alleviate the *above mentioned* steering problem I will try to steer
and airbrake a bit more than usual. And to get rid of the laggy walls I
usually do a rather counterintuitive thing; Upon impact I slightly touch
the opposite airbrake for only a brief moment and simply wait half a
second until the craft detaches from the wall and moves on without
jumping like crazy to the other side. xD

Here we go! :sonar

[Reezy]

Very interesting and helpful analysis Problemsolver. I used to have a problem, on any course, with pinballing at high speeds. If I hit a right hand wall I'd be turning left from just before I hit it (not enough to prevent me hitting it), and shortly after hitting it, and then I'd find myself going way too far left and hitting the left hand wall, then back to right etc etc.
Then I had the idea that the wall itself makes the craft rebound in the opposite direction, eg hit a right hand wall and it rebounds the craft left. So to counteract this, when hitting a right hand wall, I would turn right to make the craft go straight. This did seem to solve the problem.
But now from your post it seems this isn't the case. When steering right, I am not doing it as frantically as my left steering, and am infact probably inputting the steering right command in the time frame of when "no input is registering". And so really it has the same effect of not doing anything at all :)
As for steering being more sensitive now, what about airbrake steering? Is this also more sensitive, or could using the airbrakes for straightening out the craft be the solution?

[silverfoxy]

I haven't zoned Metropia for some time seriously but I will make some time to have a go on it in the next few days. I do remember that the section before the mag strip at high speeds (super zen onwards) is very important to concentrate on your lines. Doing this makes it a lot easier to get straight on to the magstrip and not "pinball" off the sides.

Somebody also said that 1 perfect lap at mach1 will help you to supersonic. It will help to a degree but I think its more important to do perfect zones. I use the HD hud but will try the one where it couints down to see if this helps me. You have to be aware of when you're entering a new zone and if you have messed up previously concentrate on doing that perfectly. Its hard as its nearly a lap on some tracks.

[sh1kamaru-]

that's typically why I love zone mode, actually what makes me keep cool is singing the song which is played and the decoration helps a lot too :)

still I don't understand how you and CarroArmato can do 35-40 perfect zones on sebenco :o

[ProblemSolver]

I want to add to my previous post that the subject considered is a very
delicate one. There are many ways one can hit a wall in ZONE and each
way may behave differently. The one I described is the one that you
will encounter the most if your are rather good at zoning. It occurs most
often upon hitting a wall in an acute angle at less than 20 degrees on
speeds like for example SUBSONIC+. In this case the craft sticks to the
wall without reacting to any steering input for a very short period of time.
For example, try to hit the wall on Metropia's mag stripe as explained
above (you will even see how the craft rotates a bit into the wall once
you hit). Now try to steer, to airbrake, or to side-shift away from the
wall the moment you hit. Not a chance. It takes awhile before the craft
is done with the wall. xD

@Reezy: Right, this solves the problem for hard impacts at 30+ degrees.
Straightening out the craft using the airbrakes (out of a corner) is a
common usage. What I have described is a bit more differently. Try the
following; at high speeds (SUBSONIC+) align the craft on a color stripe,
once aligned try to steer and / or airbrake as less as possible and then try
to realign the craft. You need a lot of precision (in your thumb) to get that
right. Problem is, when you give a *very* small steering input the craft often
turns (suddenly) more than you would expect.

@silverfox073: I lucked a perfect lap at MACH 1, but no SUPERSONIC yet. xD
Zone 75 will gonna be very hard, as well as doing 50 perfect zone needed to
get there.

@sh1kamaru-: I do also watch billboards and things. :)

[Spece2goin]

i think your problem is what i call a "nice rub"!

you can't even hope hitting a wall and go without lose at least 5 shield on it.
experienced it on subsonic/mach1 zones, and even if i hit the wall very smoothly, i mean the ship just give a kiss to it, i grind it all the way and can stop the love only a few seconds later... only 2, and you are good for a perfect zone for nothing...
major problem to get zeus...

[ProblemSolver]

@Spece2goin: Touching a wall as less as possible, and also as short as
possible, will cost you only 1 shield.

[Spece2goin]

well i was sayong i just can't avoid my ship to stick the first turn on AP...
taking speed pads sending me on the outter wall...

[ProblemSolver]

Uhh ... that's odd. xD What are you doing under normal race
conditions (non-ZONE)? You hit the wall as well?

[Spece2goin]

very bad ya?
but that doesn't happen each time, i could make a perfect lap on zone 55, and i'm sure with more practice i will reach zeus. for the moment, it's one sessions per week (by one session i mean 4 or 5 attempts)
i give just my last impression on failed attemps : too many hit on this turn (and the bottleneck), the greenline split is ok at this speed, left airbraking and eyes closed to the overpass.

in normal races, it's ok, even if for the same reason i don't own the tracks very well.
i could manage to get Elite campain Legend trophy, so i just need time.

(wait after exam, and i get PS3)

[LOUDandPROUD]

ProblemSolver, can I use Pilot Assist to help in obtaining Zone Zeus??? :p

[ProblemSolver]

@L&P: does not compute

[ProblemSolver]

Wat the ****!

Ehm ... Zone Zeusing Metropia has to wait a bit, I guess. My a$$ got
pwned on Anulpha Pass. http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/m-aargh.gif Seruginnzi kicked me off from pos. 1 by
about 1000 points. Well done, Mr. Seruginnzi! :clap Welcome up there!

Na ... I don't switch over to AP just yet, I think he deserves to be there
... for a week. http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/xdsmileyvj7.gif Well no, currently I'm at Metropia doing a full course
analysis under various circumstances. Metropia requires one to be able
to keep the craft straight at will to not hit any wall and to align the
craft perfectly for some combinations. But I have problems doing this,
because my infinitesimal steering-inputs are messed up (as explained).
So outside from the mag. stripe I will try to prevent (!) the craft going
straight. That is to say, at high speeds, i.e. SUBSONIC and MACH 1, I
will approach each turn by an arc. That seems to be more risky at first,
but I can control the craft better that way because the instability
doesn't occur.

After Metropia I will fix-up the leaderboard on Mao Therma. :sonar :g
kingheim took over the lead at MT a week ago. Good work,
Mr. kingheim! :clap I think you love that track like crazy, because
you also lead on the reverse one.

[QjonPL]

Additionally, a new glitcher on Anulpha showed up with ~500 Zones and only 6 perfect :/
So you're now at 4th place PS ;p

(me still 15th :( but I've beaten the Magic 100 ZONES barrier :D of course :/ with less perfects, so it's not registered)

[ProblemSolver]

Right, there is a new one, have seen him/her a couple of days ago. I get sick looking at
the leaderboard of AP. SL owes us something for looking at the **** for over 6 months
now. It hurts, you know? :| I mean, the effort you have to spend is so high on
AP ZONE....

Yeah I've noticed you a few days ago on the leaderboard. Congrats for braking the
barrier of 100 zones. :clap Bring it On!

[sh1kamaru-]

lol ProblemSolver seems like you can't retire now :P

as far as I'm concerned I'm fed up with anulpha pass, though that's where you can make the highest zone score, the track in itself is not that interesting

I'll attempt to get to zeus on moa :)

[NeilSmith]

I understand your frustration with the messed up scoreboards for zone mode and I admire you for your skills and achievements on AP, but I'm getting a little tired of reading about it in every other post. I'm sure SL knows about the issue and hopefully they'll fix it before or when Fury is released. In the meanwhile, let's focus on improving our records and skills!

[Darkdrium777]

SL actually do know about the issue, that I can confirm.
However, it is still unacceptable that the glitched scores have remained for so long. Zone is ruined, and single race is ruined. :|
I really do hope when Fury is released that SL will clear those records to show a "clean game" to the new buyers.

[ProblemSolver]

@sh1kamaru-: I never intended to retire. I just started! xD Zone Zeus on
Moa makes the track fun. It's when you say to yourself; Man, that is sick!
Beyond zone 80, on Moa, you fight against the bits and bytes comprising
WipEout HD. For example, you can't see the first corner any longer once you
get out of the last corner (where the big tearing and shuttering takes place)
onto start/finish. The pictures you're going to see are all very distorted
(pixelized). I guess that's the moment were the down-scaler kicks in, which
almost always equals death. The only chance to survive is to be able to take
that corner blindly. And now imagine you are on a record run with your pulse
sky-rocket and your body fully flooded with adrenaline. xD Man, that's why I
play ZONE! The thrill is kick ass!

[Connavar]

OMG ProblemSolver, you're really pushing the game to the limits, that's
incredible!! I'm sure you could do some amazing Time Trials if you wanted to,
but Phantom is too slow for you I guess :)

[Reezy]

ProblemSolver have you tried playing the game at a lower resolution. I know the game looks awful at 480p but maybe it makes the game more manageable at the higher zones?

[Darkdrium777]

No it doesn't make the game run better. There's still stutters here and there at 480p, and the barrel rolls still don't work.

[ProblemSolver]

@Connavar: I'm always amazed looking at the textured version of each
track. xD Perhaps I should start TTing around. Up to my taste the game
could be a bit faster, but unfortunately the crafts can't cope with higher
speeds. I hope there will be an DLC called Velocity where each craft is
enhanced with some insights drawn from the ZONE craft. Well, I think this
is already done to some extend if you look at the Zone Battle version of
each craft. I can tell you, the ZONE craft as well as the ZONE mode with
all its statistics are the prototypes for a high velocity WipEout, possibly
via an DLC. :)

@Reezy: I already did that month ago as I was battling with Larikum on
Vineta K ZONE. I found out that he was playing on an SD TV, so I thought
that he could profit from a more stable framerate. Hence, I switched to SD
as well. No difference. Usually the game should run a bit more fluent at 480p,
but instead it even tears at the same spots. Strange. However, I will check it
out once more because SL patched the graphics a few month ago (cipher:
tears over Metropia xD).

[ProblemSolver]

With respect to one of my previous post (http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132526&postcount=63); I took over the lead on
Moa Therma and Metropia! :hyper :beer

[ProblemSolver@ZONE]
Moa Therma: 206978 points, 85 zones, 63 perfect zones, rank 1
Metropia: 170382 points, 68 zones, 48 perfect zones, rank 1

I have to admit that pulling out these 48 perfect zones wasn't that easy.
The new handling is at an disadvantage at Metropia. Anyways, I wouldn't
be the ProblemSolver if I couldn't solve this problem as well. http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/xdsmileyvj7.gif
I actually did a 71 on Metropia but was lacking perfect zones. Despite
I'm only 4 zones aways from Zone Zeus it's going to be, well, difficult?

My result on Moa Therma is now a tough one. I think I could do a
87/65 but I'm not going to do this cause the shuttering beyond zone 80
is terrible. Anyways, if anyone will ever beat me up there I would stand
up and applaud with respect.

[Spece2goin]

wow

we applaud with respect :+
awesome!

you are always pushing the game further!

[sh1kamaru-]

Beyond zone 80, on Moa, you fight against the bits and bytes comprising
WipEout HD. For example, you can't see the first corner any longer once you
get out of the last corner (where the big tearing and shuttering takes place)
onto start/finish. The pictures you're going to see are all very distorted
(pixelized). I guess that's the moment were the down-scaler kicks in, which
almost always equals death.
oh that's bad for me my screen does not display well downscaled images ^^

The only chance to survive is to be able to take
that corner blindly. And now imagine you are on a record run with your pulse
sky-rocket and your body fully flooded with adrenaline. xD Man, that's why I
play ZONE! The thrill is kick ass!
lol Mach 1 is already a big deal for me on moa forward just did a 61 run with 41 perfect zones but I messed up that first corner on my 2nd subsonic lap and lost a huge 30 shield :/
I think I'm able to go for zone 65-67 but I need to get used to mach1 on this track to be able to go for zeus, anyway 80 zones here sounds insane :D

[silverfoxy]

Congratulations PS, a monumental effort.

I've had a little blast on Metropia the last few days and can get to about zone 64 but don't seem able to do enough perfect laps through super phantom and zen. That corner onto the mag strip always seems to get me. I am obviously not the Problem Solver though so will leave that to the expert !!

[LOUDandPROUD]

Hidden 2nd platinum trophy in the next all-new WO game (in addition to the platinum received for obtaining all trophies):

Problem Solved: Reach zone 125 on any track

[ProblemSolver]

@LOUDandPROUD: LOL xD

Thx guys! Yeah but i got no rest coz being up there makes you get
hunted all the time. So kingheim caught me on Metropia a day later.

Time to get real dirty with Metropia. Zone Zeus incoming....

[Reezy]

Seriously awesome zoning ProblemSolver.
Your skills remind me of that film about a boy whose a robot/alien. He plays this video game that looks like an 80's F1 game (pole position?), and goes so super fast he almost breaks the game.

[sh1kamaru-]

Hidden 2nd platinum trophy in the next all-new WO game (in addition to the platinum received for obtaining all trophies):

Problem Solved: Reach zone 125 on any track

Oh my god please no ! xD not because of having to beat ProblemSolver but well, this would mean playing anulpha pass forward more ^^

But I'd be happy to see a trophy called Labours of Hercules where you'd have to reach subsonic on each track (with the 4 more tracks in WOHD Fury this would mean 12 tracks :) )

[Aeroracer]

I got to zone 30, it's really hard.only 40 left to do.should have it done a day before the olympics starts.

[silverfoxy]

45 to be pedantic ;)

practice on either Anulpha pass course and you should improve with time.

[ProblemSolver]

@Reezy: omg xD

@sh1kamaru-: Now that they have valuable information from ZONE leaderboards
(ratios and stuff), they could craft some serious ZONE trophies. A trophy like
'Reach Zone XYZ' would be pretty, well, lame?

[IH8YOU]

Dear Reezy - that would be the movie D.A.R.Y.L. another installment of 80s awesomeness.

And Problem Solver - while I still believe you ARE a machine, I am determined to reach Zone 100 before Fury is released.

There, I said it - time to put the $ where it counts. :cold

[zeeZ]

Just did zone 70, only 5 more...
Mach-1 is a total PITA, it's black and all those white dots on the track confuse me. I enter it with about 80% and then blow up 5 zones later :lol:frown:

[silverfoxy]

For all those people struggling with the colour scheme of mach1 do rev AP. Much nicer colours in general on the reverse (mach1 is venom - light blue, subsonic is that nice green). Just a shame Supersonic is a bit lame in comparison to the forward but its a lot easier on the reverse and you don't have to worry about getting on the bridge. Give it 2 or 3 goes and see what you think.

[zeeZ]

It's not the bridge that cracks me up. On reverse I have massive problems with the last right bend and the exit of the first chicane before it goes uphill :eek

[ProblemSolver]

@ I H 8 Y O U :
i c a n t s p e a k a b o u t d . a . r . y . l . . . . a l l y o u k n o w i s w r o n g

[Lance]

All that we 'know' may or may not be true, but we can never be certain of what is what.

Or where.

Or when.

That's why life is fun. :D

[zeeZ]

After failing around the 50's in reverse I went and did forward again. Heh, that tip worked. Not the way you might have expected it to work, but it helped :lol

[ProblemSolver]

@ l a n c e
b u t i k n o w b e t t e r
s o r r y d u d e

[sny]

It's not the bridge that cracks me up. On reverse I have massive problems with the last right bend and the exit of the first chicane before it goes uphill :eek

One change that helped me immensely on forward was straightening out my racing line going into the narrow section following the straight section with three speed pads in a diagonal line. I used to go too far towards the right which would set me up for a bad racing line in the tough double corner to follow (or worse yet, cause my ship to bounce around in the narrow section), but after trying to hug the left wall instead, I took a lot less damage even at zones 60+...

I'm up to zone 73 now, only 18 seconds left to go... but my eyes can hardly keep up with what's going on. :frown:

[sh1kamaru-]

yeah only 10 zones left for zeus on moa but I stayed the whole mach 1 with low energy :D

I think playing wipeout pulse helps a lot as zone mode is very different in pulse. the craft can't take the curves as easily as the HD craft, even with airbrakes :)

I just can't seem to recover quickly enough when I start wallbangs that's horrible :blarg

[EDIT] only 7 left hehe it will happen soon perhaps :D

[EDIT] 72 ! I'm coming closer ! I managed to do 2 perfect laps in a row but there's a part that really annoys me : before the second mag track there's a little chicane, at low speed you can simply go straight but on higher speed it's really hard to take a straight line on this. This is where I screw most of my attempts. I found out that I manage to take it better when I take larger curves on the three curves before, gives me more time to prepare for it but well, would be glad to know your technique for this one

[sh1kamaru-]

finally !
http://shikamaru.fr/images/zeus_moa.jpg

I did 2 75 runs in a row, did the second because it was not my top score ^^

10 zones at this speed is really insane :o

[blackwiggle]

Mate reduce your picture size if you can, work out how before the mods see it

My only ever negative rep was because I wasn't able to sort it in time.[even requested removal beforehand]....no doing, neg rep for you/me. :turd:mad:

Still PO with that.

[sh1kamaru-]

oh sorry I reduced to 800 pixels assuming it won't disturb people :/


Still PO with that. what does that mean? :s (google tells me post office but well...)

[Lance]

There's no need to radically reduce the filesize if it's linked rather than displayed. Also, it isn't the number of pixels that matters, it's the filesize in KiloBytes. [Preferably not MEGAbytes. ;) ]

[ProblemSolver]

@sh1kamaru-: Zone 75 on Moa? That's already a very good result. Welcome
up there! :+ It's such a special feeling to run SUPERSONIC on Moa, heh?

Beyond zone 80 the intensity becomes so high that one suddenly feels all
alone -- only the track, the score, and you. Your brain, your whole body,
will be reduced to the maximum.

[KIGO1987]

You good at Zone PB cause you are the lucky few of people in the world that can enjoy the proper road infrastructure of the Autobahn. 300kmh no probs. Here there is so much space but the laws along with the crappy roads just dont allow it. Here in the state 100km east of perth a motoring journalist was doing 230kmh, in the middle of no where, and the cops still had a sad. Your lucky you have roads like that over there PB, lucky man:)

[diddymal]

Damn, this is easily the hardest trophy I have ever tried to get. I'd say the worst part is when the track changes colour, especially after zone 50, it's really distracting. I'm ashamed to say I cheated to get the trophy after cracking the shits. But now I'm going back and trying to earn it legitimately. I'm hitting the high 60's fairly regularly now so I'm feeling pretty confident :)

[sh1kamaru-]

@sh1kamaru-: Zone 75 on Moa? That's already a very good result. Welcome
up there! :+ It's such a special feeling to run SUPERSONIC on Moa, heh?

Beyond zone 80 the intensity becomes so high that one suddenly feels all
alone -- only the track, the score, and you. Your brain, your whole body,
will be reduced to the maximum.

oh yeah I understand what you mean, I wanted to make a video of a 75 zones run and ended up doing 81 it's really awesome :D video coming soon but unfortunately it's cutted just before I crashed because of a limitation on my cam recorder (it can only record for 10 minutes. I paused at the end of the first track assuming it would be enough but well :)

@diddymal : if the bug isn't already known please report it because of that I don't play anulpha pass anymore because the leaderboards just mean nothing :(
I'm all for fair competition and I'm glad you take it that way too :)
If you're going in the high 60s I guess you just need to clean 1 or 2 more zones ! good luck anyway

shikamaru, hoping the leaderboards will be cleaned for fury

[diddymal]

How do I report the bug? I think it is the one that everyone knows already. It involves the bridge...

[ProblemSolver]

@sh1kamaru-: Good work! :+ Some more perfect zones and you will climb into
the Top3, at least.

@diddymal: xD Yeah, it's known since Dec. 2008! Everything is said and done
about it. It will be resolved within Fury. Finally! :clap (:brickwall)

[djKyoto]

I just noticed the new bugged hi score on Anulpha Pass.

Zone 2528 :lol Sure are a lot of bugged scores.

Also looks like someone legimtally beat you PS, Username seruginnzi.

[ProblemSolver]

Have seen it yesterday, he did a 129 / 103. That's really awesome! He did
what I was going to do until I got sick of all those glitchers (i.e. of the
situation in general). I was leaving to Chenghou and Moa with a complete
new controller setting (a new airbrake layout). After Che. and Moa I was
going to Metropia and Sebenco and changed my controller settings all
over again. One of those settings fooled my mind to a good portion. So it
took me quite some time to get used to it (ever changed the airbrakes
handedness? xD). I never replied to any of those Controller Settings thread,
because I actually don't have a fixed one! At the moment I have three totally
different working configurations. With two of them I actually hold two
different world records. xD I think, I could get an additional record with
the third one, but since seruginnzi has seriously beaten me, it's about time
to fix one configuration once and for all. This will take some time because I
have to finally burn one and only one config into my brain, but after this is
done all current ZONE records will be shattered, starting with Anulpha Pass.

[Lance]

Self-confident, much?

[blackwiggle]

And all without going through an American education system ;)

[Everybody get's a prize]

Doesn't mater if your useless.

[sny]

Lance: If anyone can do it, it's PS. :)

Still, I'd love to see one of the elite zone runners put up a really high quality (read: HD 720p at least) vid of a 120+ zone run, just so us lamers only capable of 75 zones before our eyes start to wobble and turn to liquid can see what it's like "up there". :lol

[LOUDandPROUD]

What? Somebody beat ProblemSolver? I have no respect for him anymore. His zone skills are utter :turd . :p :p :p

[blackwiggle]

Your looking at something close to a 14 minute HD download,roughly 80mb on MP4 with ADSL2+ average speed.

[ProblemSolver]

@Lance: Self-confidence is the only thing that lets one breath up there in the
ZONE.

@sny: Would do, but I currently miss the setup to do a proper 1:1 recording.
But will do in the future.

@LOUDandPROUD:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1363/8gintl0dvgfd.jpg

Relax!

xD

[Lance]

An oxygen mask could be an asset. F-18 pilots seem to find them useful.

[LOUDandPROUD]

@ PS - Did you just compare me to Paris Hilton crying her eyes out?! The nerve! :o

LOL :lol :p

[ProblemSolver]

@Lance: Now that you talk about an oxygen mask .... interesting.... Should
give 3 - 5 zones. :+

@myself: oxygen mask, check

@LOUDandPROUD: No, not initially. Should be a general statement. But well,
she might fit you quite well. I don't know, just tell me! xD

[Hemicrania]

question :

I saw the glitch on youtube.... and I love GOOOOOLLDDD (Im dutch...isnt that weird?)

So I want the trophy...cos im a complete T-whore. How can I get this without showing up on that leaderboard and ****ing up the scores you guys worked so hard for. I don't want to piss anyone off yunno.... ;)

[guillaume]

Easy. You practice your ass off and get it legitimately. :)

[Hemicrania]

THAT!!!!

....will never work. Zoners usally have mutant super powers....I don't...unfortunately. But I can pull out the i-net cable right? Or just do it with a Campaign-zone?

[ProblemSolver]

The Zone Zeus Trophy is worthless. If I could, I would delete it from list.

@Hemicrania:
Perhaps this might work;
- backup your Save Game and delete the original one afterwards
- start the game offline
- do the trophy
- sync the WipEout HD trophies with PSN (see XMB)
- delete the currently used Save Game
- reinstall your backup

[silverfoxy]

I don't think the Zone Zeus trophy is invalid.

Its a shame its on youtube now tho, the bug should be fixed, the leaderboard reset completely or any dodgy scores removed and personally I'd ban any glitchers from further use of the game. But thats just me as I know how many hours I had to put in to get the darned trophy !!

It doesn't matter if you do racebox or camaign zones it will still show in the high scores. Just take the time to learn it properly, its not that hard.

[diddymal]

I am all that is man! I finally got this beast not 20 minutes ago. Like I've said I cheated to get the trophy in the first place so I went back and did it properly. It was pretty intimidating to start off and I was stuck at around zone 67 for a few days. I just got the airbreaker trophy yesterday and I think that helped my confidence alot.

I was still at 25 shield when I hit 75 but lost control in that little narrow valley with the boost pad and ping ponged to my death. Still I'm so stoked!

[silverfoxy]

Congrats Diddymal

Hope it felt that much sweeter doing it properly !!

I've dropped about 30 places on the AP leaderboard in the last week or so which probably adds up to how long that video has been on youtube.

Its probably my weakest track anyway so not concerned, I just hope it gets sorted.

[mic-dk]

Just take the time to learn it properly, its not that hard.

Well, for some of us it is... :) I hadn't played Zone for a looong while, but the re-appearing of the glitch made me want to give it a go again.

I only do a couple of runs at a time, but already on my second try I reached Sub-sonic for the first time ever. Granted, I died in flames not long after, but this gives me hope none the less :) I was pretty stoked when I managed my first perfect lap on Super Zen!

So Hemi, just let the Zone mode be for a while, get plenty of on-line multiplayer action going and in a week or two revisit Zone.

(and no, I'm not claiming I'll ever get Zeus, but I am painstaikingly getting closer)

[ProblemSolver]

I don't think the Zone Zeus trophy is invalid. ...
This trophy is worthless in the sense of what the trophy thing on PS3 is
all about (whatever it is). Doing 75 zones is not worthless, of course. :)


... I hadn't played Zone for a looong while, but the re-appearing of the glitch made me want to give it a go again. ...
I lol'd! xD

[silverfoxy]

@ mic-dk - Sorry, didn't mean to sound patronising. I just meant that with practice it gets easier. Try doing 3 or 4 runs after another (know it can hurt the eyes a bit) but you should see improvement. With Zone, its a case of getting used to high speeds and the necessary lines. I find it helps to have your airbrake sensitivity up high (around 90) and in some ways you have to brake less at the faster zones (very light taps). With AP you should only be braking on the first corner and by the part with the 3 V speedpads even on mach1. PS is the man to speak to for beyond 80 odd !!

@ PS - all I meant was that its not invalid for me as I did it properly. Wish you would get that click of the trophy every time you did it on a new course tho. That would be sweet.

[JFthebestJan]

off topic: hi every1, im new to this forum and will introduce myself in the pilots lounge soon.
question :

I saw the glitch on youtube.... and I love GOOOOOLLDDD (Im dutch...isnt that weird?)

lol, do u have a "skin-box" for ur dandruff? btt: i did ZONE ZEUS with steering and airbrakes set @ 90%, maybe this helps a bit.

[Hemicrania]

Well, for some of us it is... :) I hadn't played Zone for a looong while, but the re-appearing of the glitch made me want to give it a go again.

I only do a couple of runs at a time, but already on my second try I reached Sub-sonic for the first time ever. Granted, I died in flames not long after, but this gives me hope none the less :) I was pretty stoked when I managed my first perfect lap on Super Zen!

So Hemi, just let the Zone mode be for a while, get plenty of on-line multiplayer action going and in a week or two revisit Zone.

(and no, I'm not claiming I'll ever get Zeus, but I am painstaikingly getting closer)

that would also require "liking" the whole Zone experience. Me and my girl aint much for this whole Zone thing. Us thinks we gonna like the new zone battle mode in fury, but normal zone never really catched our interest. Never say never though... might pick it up someday.

[LOUDandPROUD]

Oh, Hemicrania, you freaky-deeky Dutch, you! :lol

[Hemicrania]

Gggggggggooooooooooooollllllddddd!!!!!!!!

[mic-dk]

Silverfox Oh, no offense taken. I was pretty much trying to say the same thing as you. If you want the trophy, then practice, practice, practice and if you seem stuck, take a week or two off and go do something else.

Hemi To be frank, I don't really like Zone either - regular MP carnage is more my thing. But even if I have to slave at this for the next 5 years I want to earn my Zone Zeus, partly because I care about WOHD but mainly to be able to face all those here who already Trancended the hard way.

[Hemicrania]

Trancended - I gave that up a long time ago. For me its impossible, my girlfriend however...she could pull it off.

[Spece2goin]

Sh*t!!!

with Fury release annouced, i got to try Zeus many times till next week

i don't want to be tempted to get it on the new "easy" zone tracks...

my best is 69...

[LOUDandPROUD]

One of the new Zone tracks is easier than Anulpha? Do tell! *salivates* :lol

[Spece2goin]

They look easier, because of large curves and wide track...


anyway : my best WAS 69, i just got it on first try today!!!

Zone 75
perfect : 35 (oups)
laps 39
perfect laps 8 (only)
max speed 1451 km/h
pads : 455
time : 12.35.39
distance : 199.529km
score : 158270

i'm HAPPY!!!

[ProblemSolver]

Good work! Just in time! :)

[LOUDandPROUD]

Well, I made another honest attempt at this trophy today. Three tries: The first I tied my PB at 55, then I hit 60 (woo-hoo!), then 60 again. I must say, seeing that slight improvement has given me a bit of hope that I might actually be able to accomplish what I previously felt was impossible for me. I will continue to practice and hope for the best!

[IH8YOU]

A track easier than AP for Zone? :frown:

Easier = :frown:

Harder = :o

Imagine Zone on Gare'd Europa, Vostok or Silverstream? Now that would be nuckin futz!

[blackwiggle]

Of all the changes of the colour schemes during ZONE,the intense Black & White one you get from 60 onwards is the most distracting for me,I've had 100% shield energy at 60 numerous times.

Then it's like Nelson Muntz [Simpsons] came up right in front of my face and took a photo using a flash ,Bammo! cop that!HaHa stuffed you up again.

[KIGO1987]

Imagine Zone on Gare'd Europa, Vostok or Silverstream? Now that would be nuckin futz!

Fuking Oath, i would love that. Zone 65+ on Gare you'll be flying into the stratosphere on the main staight jump. I want to see these tracks in 1080p rendering that'll be sweet.

[sny]

Word. I'd pay Fury's price for a DLC only containing Gare d'Europa and Valparaiso in both directions. Imagine that lush jungle environment and mayan temple in full HD 1080p... *drools*

[ProblemSolver]

@blackwiggle: The color scheme for MACH 1 is a bit special in the way that
I almost always get the feeling on Anulpha Pass that the game stands still or
is running very slowly. xD
The frequency of the popping marks matches a multiple of the refresh rate of
the eye. Sometimes I have to remember myself that I'm in zone 60+ to
not accidentally hit the wall. So I'm quite happy all the time to rapidly pass
through that stage up to SUPERSONIC, which is where I start to feel quite
comfortable. Sorry, guys! It is sick, I know. But it's pure beauty as well!
Running beyond zone 100 with the music turned loud compares to nothing.
And doing perfect laps at zone 100+ really shows that you are there, there in
the ZONE. http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/m-love5.gif

Keep going!

[sny]

The frequency of the popping marks matches a multiple of the refresh rate of
the eye. Sometimes I have to remember myself that I'm in zone 60+ to
not accidentally hit the wall.

Ah-ha! That explains why I had so much trouble there, I feel the exact same thing. I usually just start to rapidly lose shield when I hit 60, even though I can feel that the controls just got more responsive. Maybe I should try AP reverse to see how much of a difference racing 15 zones at such a speed in an eye-friendly colour scheme feels like.

Thanks for pointing that out, PS!

[ProblemSolver]

Up to my point view the controls do change way too much / fast after zone
60. They become twitchy. It even starts at zone 42. On Anulpha Pass that's
not much of a problem, but on any other track it complicates the steering for
no reason.

So there are essentially to difficulties to go through the MACH 1 stage
(a) the color scheme, and
(b) the twitchy controlls.

Speed isn't a real problem. The 'unnatural' sensation of MACH 1 irritates
most people, I guess.

[blackwiggle]

Damm it zone 74 TWICE OUCH!

I need a rest,I'll crack this bastard if it doesn't send me to the looney bin first.:dizzy

[ProblemSolver]

Enjoy the moment the transition takes place! It's a very special feeling. :)

Good luck!

[djKyoto]

God I hate Mach 1. The track walls are so much harder to navagaite / work out distance wise as they blend into the actual track, but I guess that was the point untill you get to 75 when it becomes a eyegasm.

[ProblemSolver]

Here is what I felt on my first run up to SUPERSONIC.

Ignition sequence start ... *piep*, *piep*, *piep*, ...

[SUBVENOM] ...
[VENOM] ...
[SUBFLASH] ...
[FLASH] ...
[SUBRAPIER] ...
[RAPIER] ...
[PHANTOM] ...
[SUPERPHANTOM] ...
[ZEN] ...
[SUPERZEN] ... smooth and steady ...
[SUBSONIC] ... all systems nominal ...
[MACH1] Zone 60 ... *nice*
[MACH1] Zone 61 ...
[MACH1] Zone 62 ... *feels good*
[MACH1] Zone 63 ...
[MACH1] Zone 64 ... encountering problems, unnecessary wall hits ...
[MACH1] Zone 65 ... SUPERSONIC displayed, pulse goes up ...
[MACH1] Zone 66 ... wall hit, wall hit ...
[MACH1] Zone 67 ... problems ... *aargh*
[MACH1] Zone 68 ... *stabilize!*, *stabilize!*, *don't throw it away!*
[MACH1] Zone 69 ... stabilized ...
[MACH1] Zone 70 ... pulse stabilized ...
[MACH1] Zone 71 ... [zone 70, clear!] ... pulse goes up ...
[MACH1] Zone 72 ... wall hit, wall hit ...
[MACH1] Zone 73 ... *keep it up, dude!*, *KEEP IT UP!!!* ...
[MACH1] Zone 74 ... [energy critical, ding, ding, ding] ...
*KEEP IT UP!!!* ... [ding, ding, ding] ... *one more zone to go, c'mon!!!*,
*c'mon!!!* ... [ding, ding, ding] ... silence ...
[S U P E R S O N I C] Zone 75 BAM! http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/cheers.gif An indescribable feeling!

[KIGO1987]

Damm it zone 74 TWICE OUCH!

I need a rest,I'll crack this bastard if it doesn't send me to the looney bin first.:dizzy

Do it with the most furthermost view? That how i got it.

[djKyoto]

Tried this again after so long (and Zico in the other thread).

Made it up to a personal best of Zone 86, had more health coming out of Mach1 then going into it. Finally had a good couple of minutes of Super Sonic eyecandy, god it's awesome looking.

I feel pretty chuffed about that. Next stop Zone 90? Teach me PS, oh wise one. :D

[KIGO1987]

Silverfox and i had a challenge, Do Zues on Moa. Shiit anything about 60 in on that track is getting nuts, best i got on that track was zone 69.

[blackwiggle]

I can't play any Wipeout unless it's in cockpit view.

I don't consider it Wipeout unless it's in the most involving mode.

I think ASSA and others that have always raced this view are of the same thought.

You just go with what your used to,but winning in this view [especially after you have pulled off a few BR's to get the win ] well,that has a satisfaction bonus only known to those that race this way.;)

Getting ZONE ZEUS [not yet but very,very close] will be BLISS

[ProblemSolver]

@djKyoto:
I essentially like the view when jumping onto the bridge at very high speeds
esp. when all the speed-pads kicks in. At very high speeds, at about zone
100+, those pads really accelerate your craft with a *massive* force. You can
even feel it due to the very strong vibration of the controller. Awesome! The
force is so strong that an inner voice may tell you that you shouldn't be here
after all. Because it feels kinda dangerous! xD

Zone 90? Eh? Forget about zone 90. Zone 100 should be your goal! :sonar

[blackwiggle]

Ever tried cockpit view Problem Solver ?

It gets SO real that you find yourself ducking[Psychically] if you get too close to hitting the "Thing/Edifice" that hangs over the end of the bridge if you get very close.

Quite a experience.:eek

[ProblemSolver]

Did.

Sometimes I switch between them (between far- and "cockpit"-view) during
a run. I like when the whole screen is moving. :) But there are some great
moments unique to far-view as well, for example, the two turns on Metropia
before the mag. stripe at zone 50+ are, in my view, the best combinations
of all forward tracks;
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133560&postcount=26

I tell you what. I'm going to believe that cockpit-view might be better than
far-view (in the end). Why? Well, the game runs a lot smoother in
cockpit-view. There is virtually no shuttering at all! And these additional
frames make up for a difference at very high speeds. However, I don't
know just yet whether it pays off or not.
Here is a little story; About a year ago I was participating in the european
GT academy. After doing my best lap in cockpit-view, after countless of
days, I switched over to bumper-view (= cockpit-view in WOHD). Hell
what? I was racing about 0.3s faster just because the game (GT5P) runs
about 5-7fps smoother in bumper-view! Those additional frame gave me
more control during cornering. Well, I get the feeling that the same holds
true for WipEout HD ZONE. Metropia, Moa, ... they all run a lot smoother in
cockpit-view. But keep it as a secret! Ohhh.... xD

But don't get me wrong guys, there is also a strong advantage using
far-view, which I will tell about in another thread any time soon. ;)


// ZONE, shuttering & Co.
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129980&postcount=75
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131424&postcount=118
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131663&postcount=124

[sh1kamaru-]

Did.

Sometimes I switch between them (between far- and "cockpit"-view) during
a run. I like when the whole screen is moving. :) But there are some great
moments unique to far-view as well, for example, the two turns on Metropia
before the mag. stripe at zone 50+ are, in my view, the best combinations
of all forward tracks;
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133560&postcount=26

I tell you what. I'm going to believe that cockpit-view might be better than
far-view (in the end). Why? Well, the game runs a lot smoother in
cockpit-view. There is virtually no shuttering at all! And these additional
frames make up for a difference at very high speeds. However, I don't
know just yet whether it pays off or not.
Here is a little story; About a year ago I was participating in the european
GT academy. After doing my best lap in cockpit-view, after countless of
days, I switched over to bumper-view (= cockpit-view in WOHD). Hell
what? I was racing about 0.3s faster just because the game (GT5P) runs
about 5-7fps smoother in bumper-view! Those additional frame gave me
more control during cornering. Well, I get the feeling that the same holds
true for WipEout HD ZONE. Metropia, Moa, ... they all run a lot smoother in
cockpit-view. But keep it as a secret! Ohhh.... xD

But don't get me wrong guys, there is also a strong advantage using
far-view, which I will tell about in another thread any time soon. ;)


// ZONE, shuttering & Co.
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129980&postcount=75
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131424&postcount=118
http://wipeoutzone.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131663&postcount=124

I can fully agree for moa especially when the zone changes, I often mess up when I go to zen just because of a stupid lag !

I could finally have my video online, after countless tries on youtube.

you'll find it here : http://tinyvid.tv/show/1rnblmuausahl

for those who have a little internet connection there's a link to dl the video (ogg theora codec). :)

sorry for the shitty super zen/subsonic :/

[sny]

Whoa, Moa looks awesome in Supersonic, even in standard definition... shame I'll never get to see it in 1080p (unless OnLive and similar services become available here). Great choice of music too, Sh1kamaru!

[sh1kamaru-]

Whoa, Moa looks awesome in Supersonic, even in standard definition... shame I'll never get to see it in 1080p (unless OnLive and similar services become available here). Great choice of music too, Sh1kamaru!

I played it full HD and yes it kicks ass :D too bad I can't take 720p videos at least, this seems so dirty :(

thanks for the music, I had to restrain myself from singing on the video cause I usually do :) but from time to time you can hear my son making strange noise lol, sorry for this

[ProblemSolver]

@sh1kamaru-:
Good run in the end, but I thing you can do better. You said that you didn't
expect to go near that high, so your run (as well as the recording) were
already influenced right from the start such that I cannot really judge the
situation. Would be better to record a hot run. But one thing is clear, your
run is quite unstable (even if I subtract SUPER ZEN and SUBSONIC). Try not
to use the airbrakes too often -- by making a better predictions of where the
craft goes next. In general, every *unnecessary* steering input may lead to
an instability and a wall hit in the process. But 'unnecessary' depends on the
quality of your a-priori prediction. ;) But let me tell you, every prediction
will fail at a given point, i.e. if the rate of change of position becomes too
large, fast reflexes and similar stuff already assumed.

[sh1kamaru-]

@sh1kamaru-:
Good run in the end, but I thing you can do better. You said that you didn't
expect to go near that high, so your run (as well as the recording) were
already influenced right from the start such that I cannot really judge the
situation. Would be better to record a hot run. But one thing is clear, your
run is quite unstable (even if I subtract SUPER ZEN and SUBSONIC). Try not
to use the airbrakes too often -- by making a better predictions of where the
craft goes next. In general, every *unnecessary* steering input may lead to
an instability and a wall hit in the process. But 'unnecessary' depends on the
quality of your a-priori prediction. ;) But let me tell you, every prediction
will fail at a given point, i.e. if the rate of change of position becomes too
large, fast reflexes and similar stuff already assumed.
You're right and there's also a reason you get the feeling it's unstable : I really hate the triggers on the DS3, that's why I use L1/R1 for airbraking, with 100% sensitivity, so it's everything or nothing, I somehow got used to it, but it leads to something not very smooth, that's why I messed up several times on the first corner, I just didn't release the right airbrake enough, fearing banging the external wall, while a progressive turn would have been far better...

I think I'll make some attempts once I get my new controller :) I think I can go for your current score, clearing more than 85 zones will be really hard, though I think it's possible to go to the 90s, given that I almost did a perfect lap on supersonic (z78/79), it's a matter of self-control, not being disturbed by external things and... luck ! you're totally right when you say that at a given point predictions will fail, an important thing is also the time you can stay fully concentrated. I always made a silly mistake just after having done a perfect lap on subsonic/mach1, just because I said myself, "phew, this lap's done, let's do anoth... BANG...er one !" I should try pausing the game after z40 and z60, I don't think I'm able to stay cool for 14-15 minutes.

[Spece2goin]

lol Shikamaru
on your video of Moa, we can here you having orgasms when playing!!

you really enjoy it right?

gg...

[ProblemSolver]

lol xD

@sh1kamaru-:
I've seen smoother runs even using L1/R1. ;)

Yeah a high 80, low 90, is somehow possible. But let me tell you, doing a
perfect lap even at zone 85 says nothing, unfortunately. In a split second you
can loose 1/2 of your shield, as you already know. Concentration is key, which
should be a prerequisite, but also some tactical things are rather important.
Simply running as long as possible does not work if one relies on the score
as well. Structuring a run is key. One key element is Checkpointing. My first
checkpoint on Moa reads; 50 perfect zones in sequence, clear.

[sh1kamaru-]

that's what I usually do too, I usually don't finish a run if I did more than 2 mistakes before subsonic (I keep some margin as I know I can recover them), and I also hate finishing a run where I don't do at least 2 perfect laps on subsonic. Now that I'm more used to the whole mach1, I'll start doing the same. I continued just for the video, because my cam does not last long when recording videos and we had to see the fireworks for the 14th july (national fest in france :) )

[sny]

Just wanna chime in in Sh1kamaru's defense saying that I think he exerts an incredible amount of concentration when you take into account the background noise and distraction created by the family and kids. I simply can't keep my craft away from the wall after subsonic if anyone's walking around in the room within my peripheral view (or - heavens forbid - walk across in front of the TV screen :D) or makes too much noise, so for me it's a marvel how he held it together as well as he did. :)

[Hemicrania]

confession time :

Found the glitch, did the time and got the gold. I did stop after I got it, and got a new found respect for you guys. HOLY CRAP thats fast..... I got catapulted into a *cheat info* on the *cheat info*...boooom..dead. It looks great too, colours all inverted black...wow.

You guys really rock man, nerves of steal. :+

[blackwiggle]

Well I finally did it.
JUST
Zone 75 - 50 perfect zones- with a score of 197792 :hyper

Now I can officially post Transcendence.:hyper:hyper:beer:beer:beer:beer

I did it in cockpit mode using the L1 R1 air brakes ,seems I'm sucker for punishment.

[mic-dk]

Congrats blackwiggle!

I'm still 19 zones off, but at least I reach Subsonic pretty consistently now. Super Zen is killing me though... :)

[blackwiggle]

MACH 1 was my constant undoing.

I'd have 100% shields at zone 60 so many times and the colour change of the track at MACH 1 just threw me every time.

Except the last time.

[silverfoxy]

Congrats Blackwiggle. I know you weren't a huge fan of teh "zone" so an excellent achievement.

[ProblemSolver]

Just wanna chime in in Sh1kamaru's defense saying that I think he ...
But that's not the way to motivate one to go for the top. ;)

[djKyoto]

Got a higher score today, but less Zones after accidently BR'ing twice in Supersonic. :(

81/59 this time compared to 86/51 before. I still want to get to 90 tho...

[Motorsagmannen]

this is something i thought about when waking up today. i tried all the new zone tracks, got the "pure four trophy" or whatever its called on first attempt. but i noticed one track in particular. syncopia. i didnt hit the wall once until zone 30 ( fell off the track two times though but i think that was more because of it beeing a new track.) also i reached super zen on first attempt. this is something that i never done on any other track, and therefore i would recon it beeing an even better track for getting zone zeus than anulpha ( and better yet no glitch infested leaderboards).
EDIT: also i was tired from staying up all night playing fury so seems like i have a fair chance with enough stamina;) my current AP record is 65 btw

so my question is this, is syncopia a better track for obtaining ZZ than AP forward?

[sh1kamaru-]

this is something i thought about when waking up today. i tried all the new zone tracks, got the "pure four trophy" or whatever its called on first attempt. but i noticed one track in particular. syncopia. i didnt hit the wall once until zone 30 ( fell off the track two times though but i think that was more because of it beeing a new track.) also i reached super zen on first attempt. this is something that i never done on any other track, and therefore i would recon it beeing an even better track for getting zone zeus than anulpha ( and better yet no glitch infested leaderboards).
EDIT: also i was tired from staying up all night playing fury so seems like i have a fair chance with enough stamina;) my current AP record is 65 btw

so my question is this, is syncopia a better track for obtaining ZZ than AP forward?

don't know about this one but for mallavol it is clearly easier yes ! (and you could be the first one to get zeus on it :)

[Hellfire_WZ]

Syncopia is a very valid alternative to Anulpha Pass, I managed Zone 73 on my first try.

[NeilSmith]

I found a little trick that definitely helped me focus when racing zone tracks. Notice how the track sync with the music? I found that when the whole track is pulsing to the beat I get easily distracted. Turning down the volume to 0% doesn't help, so this is what I did;

I made a 8 minute mp3 with just pure silence, copied it to my ps3 and imported it into a empty playlist. Then I just put the playlist on as my custom playlist. And from there on you have a solid non-pulsing track with no distractions :)

I still haven't gotten the Zone Zeus trophy, but I haven't really put an effort into it yet. I had a couple of goes at this Syncopia track but the highest I have managed is 70 atm :\

[sny]

I contemplated doing the same as you, NeilSmith, but decided against it. I wanted to get Zone Zeus the proper way, and that means surviving through the hellish dots of Mach 1. In the end I think I'm more satisfied having done it without the silent track and catching a glimpse of the beauty of Supersonic. that is still the biggest "OMG" moment WipEout HD has given me, so I wouldn't spoil it by utilizing "tricks". ;)

Speaking of the Supersonic colour scheme, Fury actually kind of robbed people of the satisfaction you get when reaching zone 75 on a track, since now you can experience it in a sufficiently long Zone Battle. Just using zone boost a couple of times eventually gives you the metallic black-white beauty that would otherwise only be a reward for those keeping their act together for 12.5 agonizingly long minutes. So I'm not going to do Zone Battles on AP until I reach 75 once again in a normal old-fashioned Zone run, this time with enough shield left to marvel some more at the colours. :)

[NeilSmith]

Booyah, finally got Zone Zeus today :) Although I can improve my score a lot I just haven't bothered playing too much Zone Mode yet. Was still a nice feeling getting that last trophy and completing my collection of HD and Fury trophies ;)

[billychanxtr33m]

Speaking of the Supersonic colour scheme, Fury actually kind of robbed people of the satisfaction you get when reaching zone 75 on a track, since now you can experience it in a sufficiently long Zone Battle. Just using zone boost a couple of times eventually gives you the metallic black-white beauty that would otherwise only be a reward for those keeping their act together for 12.5 agonizingly long minutes. So I'm not going to do Zone Battles on AP until I reach 75 once again in a normal old-fashioned Zone run, this time with enough shield left to marvel some more at the colours. :)

seeing the supersonic zone going any slower than supersonic isnt nearly as impressive. its something that you can only appreciate going the proper speed

[CJS]

Yeah... I hadn't seen Supersonic until I played AP reverse and it started with what I thought was the final colour scheme (was Mach 1, stupid me). Then I saw some guy get Zone 101 on YouTube and then I played Zone battle. So the suprise is kinda gone now, thanks alot Fury and 101 Man... 69 on Moa is still my brick wall. And by the way, why the hell can I get to 71 in the same track on Pulse? Could it be the lack of those insane colour changes?

[ProblemSolver]

... thanks alot Fury and 101 Man...
I remember that Man pretty good. xD

[silverfoxy]

when you do the HD reverse tracks now at supersonic it goes to the same colour as it does on the HD forward tracks.

I took a picture of the start finish line on AP as it looks totally different to how it used to. Theres like a brick wall effect that is quite distracting when you're not expecting it.

[djKyoto]

I bet you had some wild nights with him, huh? :beer

[alexk9]

I'm actually going MAD! I was 1 second, no lie, 1 SECOND away from getting to zone 75, when I did a barrell roll. I AM GOING MENTAL!!!! Oh well, try again I suppose.

[ProblemSolver]

Oh dear! xD

[Spitfire2097]

Got mine yesterday! :D Anulpha Forward. Dedicated to ProblemSolver! not much for you but the intention is good ;)

[jimsin]

I got it last week - but was getting about 69-73 Zones for ages beforehand. Just knowing I was so close to the target caused me to lose concentration. If I'd been aiming for Zone 80+ I'd have been able to reach 75 much easier.

[Jguesty94]

Did it for a friend on Wed, and my furthest is 82 on AP forwards. Can't remember what my rank without false records is.

[ProblemSolver]

Got mine yesterday! :D Anulpha Forward. Dedicated to ProblemSolver! not much for you but the intention is good ;)
:)

Glad that you made it! :clap And you did it the old-school way -- on Anulpha
Pass! Nice. From your picture I saw that you actually got to zone 76, so you
could enjoy the color scheme of Supersonic for a couple of seconds. Great.

If you can do Zone Zeus on Anulpha Pass then you can do it at Syncopia as
well. Seeing the creme valvet color scheme of Supersonic at Syncopia may
likely push you to zone 100. It's a pure joyride! What you say?

[Aeroracer]

I'm actually going MAD! I was 1 second, no lie, 1 SECOND away from getting to zone 75, when I did a barrell roll. I AM GOING MENTAL!!!! Oh well, try again I suppose.


Bad idea..:nod:nod

do the zone 75 first then work barrel rolls into your game to build the score.

[xtriko]

:)

Glad that you made it! :clap And you did it the old-school way -- on Anulpha
Pass! Nice. From your picture I saw that you actually got to zone 76, so you
could enjoy the color scheme of Supersonic for a couple of seconds. Great.

If you can do Zone Zeus on Anulpha Pass then you can do it at Syncopia as
well. Seeing the creme valvet color scheme of Supersonic at Syncopia may
likely push you to zone 100. It's a pure joyride! What you say?

Hey ProblemSolver! She didn't enjoyed Syncopia too much. it looks almost like "Autobahn" lol. But I can press her to give a few tries ;)

Jasmin, I think that the barrel roll was with no intention. It used to happen to me ALOT lol. ITS TERRIBLE!

[CJS]

Think I'm going to go for 80 on Sync today...
The trick is, DON'T PAUSE. You get to Zone 42 and you NEVER PAUSE AGAIN. It just throws you off. I paused at 75 to take a photo of the Supersonic colours, and paid the price on 76. And remember to have at least 90% health going into Mach 1. Dunno how it works on AP, but on Sync that's good

[ProblemSolver]

Hey ProblemSolver! She didn't enjoyed Syncopia too much. it looks almost like "Autobahn" lol. ...
By my experience, Autobahn seems to be the best german word known
by anyone from abroad. LOL

[yeldar2097]

Sehenswürdigkeiten is my favourite german word. Rolls off the tongue beautifully

As you can tell PS, I speak tourist german :D

[sh1kamaru-]

maybe because of Kraftwerk's Autobahn :)))))

I agree with ProblemSolver at first I didn't like syncopia but once you get into it it's just insane :D

those creamy colours on zeus are wonderful

[Lance]

Auf wiedersehen? Sprechen sie Deutch?

Nein!

Or for car fans, Stüttgart!

Oops. Continue on mit der tsone-mode trophie. :g

[AppleJack]

Well, the best I've managed to do is about 135,000 points and Zone 57 on Anulpha forward. I've gotten to where I can get past Zone 50 on a regular basis but 57 is the farthest I've managed to get. I've got a ways to go before even thinking about Zone Zeus (current goal is to make it to 60).

Good thing Zone's currently my favorite game mode in HD.

[djluring]

Only this one left, got to 73 on Syncopia today averaging zone 71 on my runs, and decided to call it quits. Only kicker is I have a work-thing tomorrow night so I won't be able to finish it until Wednessday (though pretty sure next session will do it, just need to align my line onto the platforms and I should even be able to enjoy a bit of the ride in super sonic).

[DISRUPTOR]

Hitting around the early 50's on Syncopia, 20's on the hard tracks like subenco. More practice required.

[AppleJack]

Finally cracked Zone 60 on Anulpha...but only managed to do it once. Things just start falling apart for me about Zone 45-50...Guess I just need more practice.

:donut + :burger + :coffee = :hyper

[tileon]

Bad idea..:nod:nod

do the zone 75 first then work barrel rolls into your game to build the score.

at some point (Zone 58 or so) you just don't BR on purpose. Trying to steady your ship on synchopia make you BR. :dizzy

EDIT: Oh and doing BR is great even if you're only training, this way you train the hard way and you make your way up the leaderboards. I like to BR as much as I can on synchyopia, perfect zones are so easy anyway

[sh1kamaru-]

+1 with the previous statement, each perfect zone will give you 10 shield so if you start doing barrel rolls at the beginning it won't affect you providing you know when you have to stop. Basically that means you shouldn't do a barrel roll if you're not at 100 shield, if you get more experienced you may give this a margin, that margin is the number of shield you'll gain after a lap :
say you need 2 zones to complete the lap, then you can BR if you're at 80% shield, unless you know that you won't be able to do the two perfect zones.

On AP I first did barrel rolls until super zen, now I usually stop doing them at mach1 :)

as for syncopia, I love putting myself to the minimum knowing that I will recover xD, I stop that at subsonic. But it's fun to pull off barrel rolls over zone 75 and still be at 100 shield one lap later ^^

[diddymal]

Well I've managed to break zone 70 on Syncopia after sitting on 63-64 for the last couple of days.. I know I can make zone 75, I was going along just great but I had to pause at zone 67 when the sun came through my windows and blinded me :? as soon as i started up again I ping ponged around and lost almost all my shield. I'll give it a break for today and come back tomrrow.

*edit* scratch that I just got to 75 on my first try this arvo, I only lasted like 2 seconds after supersonic though, I might try get to 80 tonight. Zone mode is aesome fun.

[Kurlija]

I finally reached Supersonic tonight...and crashed a couple of seconds after that. :dizzy

What I saw of the colors was beautiful, though.

[ProblemSolver]

:+ Mark this day somehow.

[Reezy]

One problem with barrel rolling is you're forever looking up at your shield to see if you can do one or if you should save it up a bit. This can make you crash!
Now I look at the lights on my ship (only just worked out what they're for today :O), and get distracted less.

[sh1kamaru-]

I did that too but that's worse for me but with the custom wip3out hud everything's just fine :)

2097 hud is nice too, not too much information, only meaningful ones :)

[fragje]

after finally beating zico today i guess its time for me to go after the zone zeus.
2nd attempt of the day took me to zone 70 on syncopia.. we'll see how many weeks i need to push it those 5 zones further xD

[fragje]

zone 75.2 reached :D
i'm fully pumped on adrenaline now xD
i had 95% shield at zone 70 then the phone rang and all my concentration was gone, luckily i managed to get zone zeus, otherwise i would have had to kill whoever called me :D

[ZixXer]

settings how i fly,
hud effects off
hud 2097, because it is clean
no vibration
no motion pitch
d-pad
cockpit, because it looks allot faster and nicer if you can fly that way.
put tv contrast lower, beter for eyes.

i take a small tv breake after every zone game, 10 + min, makes my brain not overload XD

I want to get the zone zeus on Vineta K, i know there are alot more easy tracks, but i just want to do it on that track.

i now am at zone 70, i can already do perfect laps on mach 1, but i always crach at the tunnel and lose 50% of my HP and then it is over pretty fast,

ill do barrol rols till around zone 35, after 35 it is hard to get only perfects, but it is getting beter.

hope to get it this week.

here a vid of me getting to spot 28 of the world on vineta k (now i am 17e spot) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btHU2FEQ0Wc

psn Zix-Xer

[Subsonic Retinal Burn]

I've hit the wall on moa therma :( Can't get past 66 and keep getting dumb scrapes in the early speeds. I'm determined to get to supersonic on this track since I can't seem to put a good run in on any of the other tracks. Not got fury yet but even when I do I'll still be trying to get this probably.

To ProblemSolver: After discovering who you were when I last looked at the leaderboards, I can see why my name is funny to you :beer . Got any tips to get those last few zones?

[yeldar2097]

Does anyone else feel the magic of the supersonic colour scheme has been diminished
slightly due being able to see it for (pretty much) as long as one likes in Zone Battle?

[ProblemSolver]

@Subsonic Retinal Burn: It's difficult to judge from here what you need to
finally get to Supersonic on Moa Therma, but judging from your actual record
of 66/37 it seems like that you aren't able to handle the ZONE craft's dynamics
just yet, because you lack perfect zones with respect to your total zones.
You need to work on you precision to incease your perfect zones. Doing more
perfect zones will gave you more shield to enter into higher zones. However,
Moa Therma isn't the best track to work on one's precision. Go over to Anulpha
Pass and do some zone 90+ runs and try to do as many perfect zones as possible.
Anulpha Pass has some interesting sections where you will learn how to stabilize
the craft using only some slight touches to the airbrakes, which is of utmost
importance on the mag stripes on Moa Therma once the speed goes up.

@yeldar2097: I feel the same. I think SL stepped back, with the advent of Fury,
from giving 'some' people something special another one can't get as easily.
The (HD-) supersonic color scheme was once something worth to go for on its
very own. But today it's just another scheme when playing Zone Battle. And
even the Fury supersonic color scheme isn't something special within this
regard, because it's far too easy to get there (on Syncopia for example). They
didn't even implemented some new color schemes for zone 100+. They may have
thought that it's not worth considering because only a 'few' people can enjoy
it. But I always thought that WipEout has something to offer for those who are
really looking out for a serious challenge, which obviously isn't the case with
Fury. I mean look at all the added Fury trophies, they are so boring. I didn't
even played the Fury campaign to get them all and I won't do so anytime soon if
ever. Up to my point of view it was a bad decision to not include any
challenging silver or gold trophy within Fury. Who needs all those bronze
trophies? There are already enough bronze trophies within WipEout HD. Would be
cool if they had spent their Fury-trophy-budget for only some challenging
silver and gold trophies. Well, there is a trend in the gaming industry in
making games too easy such that every player can see all the content without
any effort. And secondly, most games today do depend on the rating system of
some well known magazines, i.e. a hard game is likely to get a lower score for
no reasons or gets bad publicity once it is known that this game isn't an easy
one. Keeping the balance is key, and I think WipEout HD got it just right
whereas Fury doesn't. Fury even took away the challenge with respect to the
leaderboards, because they are not updating for ages. *sigh*

[AppleJack]

Well, I'm slowly getting there...but I'm still a ways away from Zone Zeus (been trying for it on Anulpha foward)

Juist made it to Zone 68 with 45 perfects, and 17 perfect laps out of 34 total laps, total score of 189,027. I did barrel rolls off the shortcut until about Zone 35. Probably just need to practice more, try to get even better at controlling the Zone ship.

yea, I thought it was just me but the leaderboards haven't updated in who knows how long. According to the leaderboard, my high score on Anulpha is 99,392 with 45 zones, and I've just nearly doubled that.

And still nothing has been done about the glitchers on the Anulpha leaderboard..

[XBARNSTERX]

@Applejack,Leave the barrel rolls till you can actually get to zone zeus. It'll save you more shield energy, then go for score. Concentrate more on the driving side of it:)

[Lance]

ProblemSolver, the elite always love elitism, the non-elite don't; what is a company to do? Compromise or no? Which action produces the most financial profit to the company?

[ProblemSolver]

@Lance: Yeah I know that these two things sometimes contradict each other.
I tried not to write from an elites-only perspective such that my argument
holds true even for those not being as addicted to the game like most of us
here. And I don't think that the decision for including (or not including)
only bronze trophies or a new color scheme beyond zone 100+ hinders SLs profit.
It's just not well thought off from my perspective. Fury offers virtually no
challenge.

Let me be more precise on the challenge thing. It's not like that I wanna
have a challenge (a gold trophy) just for the sake of it. A good challenge is
something where one can follow the thoughts of some of the developers while
trying to beat something which was crafted out very well, like the Zico trophy.
One of the unspoken things in gaming is to beat those guys who know the game
inside out, the developers! Back in the days most games had some tough
(sometimes hidden) challenge posed by one of the developers. And it is always
pleasing to beat them on their own bits and bytes. But today the story is
different, almost all trophies of all PS3 games are crap -- 'kill X opponents'
bla bla bla. Most people got all the Fury trophies in no time. What's the deal?

WipEout offers so many possibilities for crafting very valuable trophies
and I can't see how those trophies should hinder SLs profit. I know no one
who bought Fury because of all the bronze trophies.

The problem with the trophy system is that most 'developers' abuse it in one
way or another, for example to just simply show one's progress in the game
and similar things. I'm fine with this when we also get something for real,
but we didn't, because the trophy budget of an DLC is limited and SL has
decided to spend their budget on only the bronze ones. They did that in favor
to have as much trophies as possible -- for all the trophy b!tches out there. xD

Elitism? I don't think so.

[Subsonic Retinal Burn]

Zone 90+? :eek this could take a while.

However I have been doing some anulpha pass zone time like you suggested and I kind of see what I've been doing wrong (in spite of not being able to break 60 on it). Been way too heavy on the airbrakes when minor taps would be adequate. Now I've been jumping between that and Moa Therma to keep things fresh for myself. Got better zone consistency on Moa Therma but when I lose control now, I really lose it badly for some reason, so I can't seem to get as far up the zones at the moment :( (current best is 62/41).

I guess it's one thing knowing what you're doing wrong and another thing entirely trying to fix it :beer .

[Kaede]

I'm playing with the d-pad, not the analog, I'm wondering if that could be a bad idea.
Whatever, I hate that _ç'éÃ*&@# "thing" (http://i33.tinypic.com/sctit5.jpg[/url)attached to the ceiling and it hates me back:twisted I guess I've to point down not to hit it, it seems to work...
(edit : oh actually I've just watched some video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hof7S2jJxxA&feature=related)and the guy simply jumps earlier, I'll try that)

Damn, I suck ... I usually die at zone 58 or so. Also I hate super zen and Mach I colors :'/ I know the boosts by heart but not seeing them distract me.

My best : 65 zones, 36 perfects zones, 11 (only) perfect laps, 384 boosts. I'm improving very slowly :/ if only there was an option to start at a precise zone :)

[Mietepiet]

sideshift early off that upper lane (after last speedpad)

[Kaede]

I'm stupid:clap. At zone 66 I checked what zone I was at.
That made me lose ALL my focus and I lose 10 seconds after that.
I'm noticing I screw up at that upper lane most of the time, falling off into the unknown.

@problemsolver : there are several approaches to trophies. I believe some developers see them as a way to make player try everything in the game. Like, if there is a "kill at least 10 soldiers using weapon X", there are more chance every player will give the weapon "X" a little chance.
I personnally don't like trophies very much because, many times, they aren't specific enough and two players can obtain the same trophy in different conditions, which makes obtaining it either very easier or very difficult, which the games don't keep track of. I'm not even talking of videos : one player could mimic a video and succeed at obtaining something which could require some reflexion or try and error, but the trophies list won't show that either.
I'm still trying zone zeus because I just like that speed :) I probably won't do most of the other trophies though.

edited by Lance for Kaede, to add >

Yeah \o/ I did it.
Not *that* hard, the hardest is not panicking and not steering too hard when there impacts otherwise it goes left, right, left, right, bee-bee-beeep BOOM:bomb

I've read that the game doesn't accelerate after zone 75, is that true ?

edit : oops, sorry, should've edited my post (that's what I wanted to do actually)
edit 2 : thank you ;)

[Sausehuhn]

I kept adjusting the sensitivity of the airbrakes, muted SFX, turned rumble off and chose "light" music for my zone playlist. Within about five zone races I got ca. ten zones higher and reached zone 75. All those changes made it way easier for me to focus on the race again when I made a mistake.

[Wotan]

I've read that the game doesn't accelerate after zone 75, is that true ?


No , speed increase again after 75 , but we haven't new color scheme (sadly :( )

[Aeroracer]

today i am going to go and get zeus medal...i have been avoiding it but today is a good time to go for it.....i hope i do well...:clap:clap

[slimjim]

good luck with that trophy i might leave that one for a while

[Aeroracer]

Yipppeeee..i got zeus medal tonight..

i got to zone 71 twice and got 77 third attempt got to rank 44 on the charts..which i am very happy with..:guitar

anyway what i want to say is..i can now agreee with all the other zone posters who talk about weird things that happens during playing such as itches that happen at zone 30 eye blinking at 50 and really annoying things that put you off the game and make you crash
My personal distraction was my bra..at about zone 55 my bra suddenly felt super uncomfortable and the straps were digging into me..cant explain it.so i paused and ripped it off and my game play drastically improved.:nod

so my advice to other players Guys/girls (jk) :p is dont wear a bra wen you go for zeus..oh and make sure you got a good playlist..nothing worse than a really crap song coming on at mach1

lastly and most importantly.......thx to all the top players who have helped me with good advice which really worked..:nod:nod

[afatsuoM]

Pics, or didn't happen! :g

Seriously, congrats with the trophy. I can't believe you said "today i am going to go and get zeus medal...i have been avoiding it but today is a good time to go for it.....i hope i do well..." and actually got it that day (ok, technically it was the next day). I must have said that 10 times before I really got it.

[yeldar2097]

I change to the W3O HUD when I zone...I don't get any further but I get way more perfect zones. Less distracting I think. Might even help people get to higher zones than before.
If only there was a "HUD off" option for zone mode. That would ROCK!

Now that I've (finally) reached 100 I do see what PS means. Mewants another colour scheme. One that CANNOT be seen the cheap way (i.e. zone battle) :D

I feel so elitist and dirty :lol


...dont wear a bra wen you go for zeus..

Pahahaha. +rep :g

[Lance]

It is imperfection which is dirty; more elite, closer to purity. Heaven awaits the greatest of the elite!

}wakes up.{ uh... whaaa... what did I say? I gotta stop giving these séances.

[Aeroracer]

thx for the congrat afatsuom....

i didnt know for sure if i was gonna get to zeus...i felt strong in my mind and i went well.sometimes things work out well..other time things dont..

plus i know my limitations...when i lose online i dont really get upset as i know how fast i am..provided i do my best ..that is all that counts..getting upset at failing to perform at an impossible for you standard makes for an unhappy life in my oppinion.

[Lance]

But not getting upset about such things probably means that one never performs up to one's maximum potential.

[Darkdrium777]

Playing naked ensures that you don't have any problems ever. ;)

[yeldar2097]

What if you have an overly affectionate dog/cat? Could get awkward ;)

I do my best zone work when I'm either:

Sitting back on the sofa with pillows all around me. Hood up, lights low. Right leg loosely crossed over left leg.
OR
Sitting cross-legged on small footstool about 1.5m away from the screen (as opposed to about 5 when I'm on the sofa)

:g

[Aeroracer]

hahaha. no no no....i wasnt naked and playing zone..i just pulled my bra off i still had top on.maybe i go naked next time to go even further..maybe thats PS secret to zone 150..do it in the buff...

@lance....getting upset cos someone suprior to you beat you is just dumb and is detrimental to quick development..all that is important to me is perfoming to a100% of my ability...and ensuring i improve in a consistanrt fashion.

some players that used to beat me by 30 seconds now lose by 5 seconds to me so my attitude to playing has worked well for me and hopefully it will help me get even fasterand win more.

[Darkdrium777]

maybe thats PS secret to zone 150..do it in the buff...:lol there goes another rumour :D

We have never played together but it's been some time since you've joined. Perhaps some time soon. :)

[Aeroracer]

I think we did play dd777 but the lense in you rear view telescope was not powerfull enough to see me 2 miles behind you on the track. I am a faster now but not as fast as i could be..but i improve all the time..look forward to playing you again..Add me or visa versa so we can hook up quickly..:nod:nod

[ProblemSolver]

Jasmin :clap, I'm glad that you made it! It must have been a great feeling for
you the moment the transition to Supersonic kicked in. I still remember the
first time on Anulpha Pass; BAM! S U P E R S O N I C . . . .

You know what? If you wanna make me proud of you then try getting to zone
100. You would be the one and only girl known who ever got there. That's
something really special if you ask me. And you would likewise leave many
guys behind you. With you latest efford in all of WipEout and with the things
I told you, your are in the position to clear 100 zones. So take your cloths
off and there you go! :P Btw; Send me a picture (from zone 100 xD).


... plus i know my limitations...when i lose online i dont really get upset as i know how fast i am..provided i do my best ..that is all that counts..getting upset at failing to perform at an impossible for you standard makes for an unhappy life in my oppinion.
Could never be more true.



:lol there goes another rumour :D ...
I :lol'd.

[Aeroracer]

Thx ps for congrat...

Mmmmmmm zone 100+...a nice challenge, i think i will go for it, but not quite yet i got other things to finsh first.:nod:nod