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eLhabib
20th January 2005, 12:18 AM
I read an article on the web about Pure, and the editor who wrote it had actually played an early build of the game, and reported of 8 teams, four of which were Feisar, Piranha, Quirex and HARIMA. So it seems like we know at least one of the new teams...

Colin Berry
20th January 2005, 12:53 AM
I read an article on the web about Pure, and the editor who wrote it had actually played an early build of the game, and reported of 8 teams, four of which were Feisar, Piranha, Quirex and HARIMA. So it seems like we know at least one of the new teams...

Yup, its true.
Its actually spelt Harimau though :D

DuraFlex
20th January 2005, 10:16 AM
I looked Harimau up in google (yes, bit freaky i know) and i saw that it was assosiated a few times with a tiger. Maybe a connection? :D

Lance
20th January 2005, 03:29 PM
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harimau seems also to be an Indonesian word, in at least one of the dialects, anyway. there seems to be a tiger style of combat, of pencak silat
.

Dimension
20th January 2005, 04:37 PM
So Colin, any other new teams, and any possibility you can tell us the names (and maybe if you're allowed the colour schemes so we can decipher the screenshots) :)

Mobius
20th January 2005, 04:55 PM
the harimau logo is in the officail trailer - reminds me of a child friendly like logo of tigron - i think it was a flame icon. Actually it isnt it is three cuved thing making a traingle.

yawnstretch
20th January 2005, 05:38 PM
Once there's a team in there that handles the way I like it (I like it WO1/WO2 style*).

*That sounds a bit perverted. Apologies! :wink:

Synthetic Consciousness
24th January 2005, 02:46 AM
[Lance]: Indeed. Silat Harimau Minangkabau comes from western Sumatra. Harimau means "Tiger", and Minangkabau is the tribe that developed this style. A mainly ground combat style, it focuses on langkah (footwork). The gerak (movements) of the pesilat (fighter) are fast and aggressive, evoking the swiftness of the tiger, and his/her sikap (stance) resembles a tiger with its claws unsheathed. Pouncing takedowns, eye gouges, throat grabs, sweeps, breakfalls, and myriad kicks from a position seated low to the ground are common elements to this style. Also common are arm, ankle, and knee joint locks.

eLhabib
24th January 2005, 09:07 AM
great.
now what does that tell us about the team? huh? :wink:

Rapier Racer
24th January 2005, 09:43 AM
ummmm Goteki 45 in disguise?

element42
24th January 2005, 10:49 AM
or maybe to replace the assegai team, an assegai of course being some kind of african spear.

Shem
24th January 2005, 02:04 PM
the correct answer is 'I don't know'

(for now)

eLhabib
24th January 2005, 06:48 PM
right answer shem!
you won as many dishwashing machines as you can carry with one hand! congratulations! :clap

yawnstretch
24th January 2005, 10:42 PM
Not much yappage on the forum tonite... or is it just me?

Man I wish I could click my fingers and have wipeout pure this instant.

Oh well - I'll just have to play some more Ridge Racers ;)

zargz
24th January 2005, 11:11 PM
perhaps if you try rightklick your fingers it'll work! :D

sounds to me like you have a psp so here's a question I'd like to ask about it:
is the D-pad as sensitive as on the ps2 controllers?
meaning it has 3 different d'grees of sensitivity 8O

Try if you can turn your wheels in different angles depending on how hard you press the D-pad on your Ridge racers!

Cheers!

Preaterea censeo Carthaginem esse delandam

yawnstretch
25th January 2005, 04:21 PM
hey zargz,

No the PSP doesnt have a pressure sensitive d-pad but it's very responsive - you'll like it trust me. One thing that has become apparent to me though is that the square circle x and triangle buttons are rather close to each other. You may or may not know that the square circle x and triangle buttons are smaller on the psp than on the ps2/ps1.

They look better than a ps2 pad because the symbols are inside the clear buttons but I didnt notice until recently that it can be awkward to press these different buttons with your thumb because of their closeness and size.

I've practiced a bit (even though ridge racer doesnt require it) and I think it will be ok - but it will definitely take a little bit of adjustment for people who press these buttons the way I do...

For example, when I play wipeout I lean the middle joint of my right thumb on the x button and then use the tip of my thumb (or slightly lean the upper part of my thumb left or right) to press circle or square easily. This way isnt as easy on the PSP imo. I dont have big thumbs but I have to improve my dexterity somewhat in order to quickly press circle or square.

At first I thought I'd have to map weapons fire onto triangle (as it's easy to press triangle with the tip of your thumb whilst holding down x with the joint in your thumb) but I've been practising using the circle button as I race and it may be ok.

Theres a lot more I can answer about the PSP if anyone has any specific questions that havent been answered but all in all it is a truly amazing machine and I have no hesitations in saying that its the best console hardware I've ever owned. Now- Bring me GAMES! :twisted:

Rapier Racer
25th January 2005, 05:23 PM
How can you press the buttons like that?? I tried that once after observing a friend play and they both hurt like hell after half an hour especially the one I was using to control the d-pad. I prefer the very tip of the thumb when it comes to pressing the buttons

yawnstretch
25th January 2005, 05:53 PM
Curiously I only use my right thumb that way; my left thumb uses the tip for the d-pad movements.

Basically I hate taking my thumb off acceleration - EVER. :mrgreen:

zargz
25th January 2005, 06:11 PM
yawnstretch: thanks 4 the info! :)

Coool technique! I press the X-button with my thumb like I'm gonna leave fingerprints to da police - not that I ever did that! 8O
The thumb pointing in straight line between the X and Square buttons ( stil on the X-button ).
To shoot I glide quick to the right and to discard weapon to the left ( or straight between X and Square-bttn ) without ever letting go of the X-button! 8)
And thus the Glide technique is revealed! :lol: LOL
I actually never thought about it til now when you said how you race .. :D

Preaterea censeo Carthaginem esse delandam

yawnstretch
26th January 2005, 08:58 PM
Most intriguing! I suppose in reality I do something between a slight glide and what I described before, but the PSP buttons are just a tiny bit of a new technique for me.

(Hopefully I wont ever have to use any excuses about button-size when playing wipEout - I aim to trash everyone I ever play!)

Thinking twice about that last sentence - it probably wont apply when Im playing against the zoners online ;)

MachinaWeapon45
27th January 2005, 05:21 PM
Nice technique. The only the that bugs me is the square button is a little unresponsive on the PSP (My cuz has the import). I think sony is trying to mess with the consumer again.

DuraFlex
27th January 2005, 08:16 PM
Yeah, its a design failure. Sony wanted to keep the screen big enough so they had to find something to keep the placement of the buttons good without making the psp bigger. Their solution, placing the sensor not directly under the button, works ... until you got some dirt (from sweat ect) in it giving the bad response of the square button.

Here are some pictures of this:
http://spong.com/detail/assetView.asp?mode=console&viewid=157900&type=11&prid=8260

zargz
27th January 2005, 09:07 PM
OMFG ! ! ! .. http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/sad.gif
any plans of fixing it?
Like the overheating problem Playstation had when it came out in Japan, they fixed for the Eurpean release.

Preaterea censeo Carthaginem esse delandam

DuraFlex
27th January 2005, 09:17 PM
This is the only thing I have red about this. I hope they will fix this. My ps2 also had the failures from the first console, wich has cost me 85€ for a replacement console.

I'm pretty sure they'll find a solution, question is when and how much people will have the older version (allready 4800 units have been send back).

Zero [RG] [HG]
29th January 2005, 04:54 AM
Speaking of finger positions, in Wipeout XL and Wip3out, I use the tip of my thumb to press the X,
and the side of the thumb joint to press the O button.
I keep the tip of the thumb on X, and while it is still there, I tilt my thumb so the joint side presses the O button.
^_^

rejj
29th January 2005, 05:00 AM
I use the underneath of my thumb knuckle on X, which lets me use the tip of my thumb for square. Circle is just a small roll of the thumb to the right, and nobody presses triangle ever so that's not an issue. ;)

Dimension
2nd February 2005, 05:50 AM
KK, guess there's no better place to post this, I figured i'd try and see if I can confirm what teams are in the game (by pausing videos andscreenshots...) Has been done a little I suppose, but not to specifics :)

FEISAR - 7 seconds into the first of the two ingame movies with music on, you see what could only be one of their banners over the track (looks like a very FEISAR logo.)
Auricom (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/582/582751/wipeout-pure-20050125072046658.jpg) - 30 seconds into the same video, big glaring letters above the track.
AG Systems - Because Colin told us it is & you can see another banner in said video.
Qirex (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/582/582751/wipeout-pure-20050125072045299.jpg) - What else could be purple and blue? I as yet have only seen the purple sign near the start of the track in the above video
Piranha (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/577/577585/wipeout-pure-20050105062241098.jpg) - I believe that sign says hungry for speed (judging by other ones about the place)
Horimou - Seen it in the official video and Colin said so in this thread.

Possibles

Assegai

http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/577/577585/wipeout-pure-20050105062241723.jpg - Yeah, that's either a FEISAR or an Assegai.
http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/582/582751/wipeout-pure-20050125072045768.jpg - Judging by shape, that is an Assegai, i don't remember a double hulled FEISAR :)

Mysteries

Linky (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/user_files.php?user_id=782) In the second half of the ingame movie from IGN (the one with music and sound), coming out of the tunnel (about 6 seconds in) there is a white/grey sign that i can't quite make out :o

On my files page you can also see another that i spotted, a large grey sign with X3 written on it :o

12 seconds into the second half of that video is a third sign on the left of the track, this time white with a turquoise sign on it. :o

EDIT: Nevermind these files, I can't seem to get a screenprint from the video, just turns up blank :?

Then there's the questions: what is A) the red/black ship (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/582/582751/wipeout-pure-20050125072046205.jpg) that seems to be made of two arrows and a slight connector thing in the middle? AG Systems?

And B) the twin hulled white ship (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/577/577585/wipeout-pure-20050105062241098.jpg) seen here with the piranha? Horimou?


Anybody spotted anything worth note otherwise? time for some serious chatting on he ships :D

Hellfire_WZ
2nd February 2005, 10:16 AM
Assegai

http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/577/577585/wipeout-pure-20050105062241723.jpg - Yeah, that's either a FEISAR or an Assegai.
http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/582/582751/wipeout-pure-20050125072045768.jpg - Judging by shape, that is an Assegai, i don't remember a double hulled FEISAR :)


That's definitely an Assegai. There was a small picture of it in Edge magazine this month (an actual render rather than a screenshot) and it can't be anything else, unless there's been a random name change. There was a screenshot with a FEISAR as well, it looks pretty much like you'd expect it to.

The red and black one must be the other new team (if it isn't Harimau). Edge said there were two newcomers, and we already know one.


EDIT:

Okay, now I'm a little confused. This screenshot shows a FEISAR ship (note the FEISAR logo on the wing):

http://media.psp.ign.com/media/682/682962/img_2200693.html

However, I originally though that THIS ship was FEISAR, what with the colour scheme and all:

http://media.psp.ign.com/media/682/682962/img_2530478.html

Dunno what's going on here. They're definitely different ships. The only thing I can think of is that this second screenshot shows one of the new teams, meaning that the red ship must be AG-S.

Sausehuhn
2nd February 2005, 05:08 PM
@ Hellfire

You thought this was Feisar?! http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/577/577585/wipeout-pure-20050105062243363.jpg
Erm...why?!
This ship has a totally different design and doesn't look like a Feisar I think...

@ Dimensions

I have the same problem. You can't make any screens :? You just can make some when you watch the video with Quicktime.... but not every video works. maybe you need a converter or something :roll:

Hellfire_WZ
2nd February 2005, 05:24 PM
Well... considering the blue/yellow colour scheme (pretty much a FEISAR trademark), and the fact that I saw it before the actual FEISAR pic, it seems quite a reasonable mistake to me. Mind you, I see what you mean about the design, I felt a bit silly when I saw the actual pic... :oops:

Would anyone be willing to shed any light on which team this is, or is it all under lock and key?

Dimension
3rd February 2005, 04:22 AM
to me, the red mystery ship and the one you thought was a FEISAR look like they could be the same ship with different colour schemes, look at it as if they changed the design somewhat between the two sets of pics being released (since those two pics are from different dates), it may not be, but I guess it's a possibility, maybe FEISAR's seeing red suddenly :D

Sausehuhn
3rd February 2005, 03:56 PM
I'm not sure, but I think I saw both ships in the offical trailer. So I don't think they are the same.
In my opinion the red one is AG-5Y5, the others I do not know. Maybe we will know it on the 14th February, when the Pure-website will be updated. I hope they will add the teamlogos!

eLhabib
3rd February 2005, 04:47 PM
there is an official pure-website?!?!?!

Dimension
3rd February 2005, 04:48 PM
a japanese one... http://www.playstation.jp/scej/title/wipeout/

zargz
3rd February 2005, 06:43 PM
to me, the red mystery ship and the one you thought was a FEISAR look like they could be the same ship with different colour schemes, look at it as if they changed the design somewhat between the two sets of pics being released (since those two pics are from different dates), it may not be, but I guess it's a possibility, maybe FEISAR's seeing red suddenly :D This reminds me of the blue prewo3 assegai!
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/wipeout35.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/wipeout37.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/wipeout38.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/shockwave.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/phm.gif Man, they should've kept the different colors of the engine trail for different ships or at least for multiplayer as in wo64! http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/sad.gif

Preaterea censeo autopilotum esse delandam

Sausehuhn
3rd February 2005, 07:14 PM
Ehem.

Here are the teams you can see in the trailers and at the screenshots.
The first 8 Teams are in the game, 100%!
The last two I don't know.

Feisar:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/feisar.JPG

Auricom:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/auricom.JPG

AG-5Y5TEMS:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/ag-5Y5.JPG

Piranha:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/piranha.JPG

Qirex:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/qirex.JPG

Unknown 1)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/1.JPG

Unknown 2)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/2.JPG

Unknown 3)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/3.JPG

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Unknown 4)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/4.JPG

Unknown 5)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/5.JPG

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- I'm not sure if all pictures of Unkown 3) are the same ship, but they all look not very differnet.

- Unknown 1) or 3) could be Horimou.

- Unknown 4) and 5) you just can see in the first trailer which was shown on the Eł, maybe the 5) is 3), but I can't say this exactly.


And know say thank you ;)
I spend more than 2 hours into this :roll:

edit:
I forgot this one:

Unknown 6)
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/6.JPG

It's not the Piranha ship you can see abouve. The design is different, just the colors are the same...

zargz
3rd February 2005, 07:27 PM
8) hehe! good job!
and can u tell me what could this be? ----> http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/au.gif
:wink:

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Lance
3rd February 2005, 07:33 PM
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it looks a great deal like a minimised version of Dave Brasgalla's Auricom icon from his set for the Mac version of 2097.

zargz, where did you get the old blue Assegai pics from? is that some pre-release WO3 that never became part of the final?
.

Sausehuhn
3rd February 2005, 07:36 PM
@ zargz

that's a WipEout 2097/XL Auricom ship. Why do you ask?

eLhabib
3rd February 2005, 07:41 PM
thanks man, u really did a great job!

conserning the last picture, it's not an alternative piranha design, i figure its the piranha ship in prototype mode (ya know, the tron-like tracks)

my guess for unknown2 is that it is the zone mode ship or the second new team, in which case unknown 3 would be assegai (wohoo)

anywho, great job man!

Sausehuhn
3rd February 2005, 07:47 PM
No, Unknown 2 is not the zone ship, because in the offical trailer and at the screens you see it with many different ships on the track.
Yes, the last one could be the prototype-piranha. I thought the same way at first. But I was not sure. Maybe I will change that at the next few days, but not today...

zargz
3rd February 2005, 07:47 PM
lance: :| aehumm .. it is, only 1/4 the size
*sneaking away wistling neviously :roll:

assegai pics I got from a link posted here before wo3 was released!
there are more pic of wo3 ships with 2097 weapons!!! 8O

Sausehuhn: was a joke 8)

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Sausehuhn
3rd February 2005, 07:57 PM
@ zargz

I can see very well :wink: :D

Lance
3rd February 2005, 08:01 PM
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Sausehuhn: great job on tracking down all these designs!


zargz: do you have any more of those pre-release WO3 pics? could you post more of them, please? i don't think i ever saw those. um... is that the best quality available?
.

zargz
3rd February 2005, 08:42 PM
okey! here they are.
though I'm surprised you never seen them lance :)
and yes is the only quality I got :?

the uggly ( imo ) arrow from 2097 multiplayer on wo3!!!
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/arrow.jpg
2097 lockon on wo3!!
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/lockon.jpg
2097 missile ..
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/missile.jpg
plasma
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/plasma.jpg
and rockets :D
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/rockets.jpg
see all + blue assegai here
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/wopics/

strange to see huh? 8O ..
but cool! alternative realitys ..
parallel dimensions??!
what do you say Dimension??
8) heh!

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Lance
3rd February 2005, 09:15 PM
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why surprised? i never even heard of Wipeout until the year 2000, not till after i bought my first game machine, also in 2000, a PSX, apparently made in '98, same one i still use. and i didn't come to the WipeoutZone until late August of 2000. all of this well after the development period of WO3.

thanks for all those pics! i really like some of the pre-final stuff.

btw, are you currently in ''good guy'' or ''bad buy'' visual mode? :)
.

zargz
3rd February 2005, 11:17 PM
http://www.geocities.com/zargz/leenden/lol.gifLOL! Well, 'Good guy' 99% of the times! :D
I do that too --> when I get a link, I go take a look at the main page by deleteig half of the link 8)
you are right 2000 ..
but it seems you've been here for a long time that's why I was surprised.
probably coz of the nr of times you've posted! :)

Preaterea censeo autopilotum esse delandam

Lance
4th February 2005, 03:07 AM
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i think my first post was on the old board in September 2001, which come to think of it, was a long time ago, though a long time after the development of WO3. we were all looking forward to the PS2 and WO Fusion at the time. that's sure changed ^__-
.

Rapier Racer
4th February 2005, 10:27 AM
that assegai looks cool 8) you wouldn't be able to see the logo very well though

Dimension
4th February 2005, 01:44 PM
I take it you have to sign up for that site with the ships on? :(

Sausehuhn
4th February 2005, 03:42 PM
@ Dimensions:

sorry, I did not know about that problem. Yesterday it worked well. I've changed the server, now it works again.

Erm, I thought about what Colin said. He told us that there are 8 teams in Pure, now I think that:
Unknown 6) is Piranha prototype
Unknown 5) is Unknown 3) and
Unknown 4) is Unknown 2) in differnet colors. Maybe they changed them. I think so because the design is the same.

Should I change these pictures? What do you think? Do you agree with me?

Dimension
4th February 2005, 05:35 PM
cheers for that Sausehuhn, nice work! :D

Sausehuhn
6th February 2005, 06:44 PM
After we get the cover of the game we know the teams as well. So:
Here are the teams and their ships:

I. Feisar:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/feisar.JPG

II. Auricom:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/auricom.JPG

III. Piranha.A:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/piranha.1.JPG

IV. Qirex:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/qirex.JPG

V. AG-5Y5TEMS:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/ag-5Y5.JPG

VI. Assegai:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/3.1.JPG

VII. Harimau:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/1.JPG

VIII. Triakis:
http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/2.1.JPG

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I hope I'm right. The speculation is based on the logo colors and/or on the design of earlier ship designs of the old WipEout games.
If anybody think another way I would be pleased to change them. :D

stin
6th February 2005, 06:53 PM
Sausehuhn,

The ships are interesting but one ship is Assegai, see the top of the picture?, to me it`s looks like a Piranha not assegai! but where did you find this?

stevie: :)

Sausehuhn
6th February 2005, 06:57 PM
Which picture do you mean?
I made these pictures by my own. I searched in the internet, made screenshots from the trailers and put them all together. 8)

stin
6th February 2005, 07:08 PM
Which picture do you mean?
I made these pictures by my own. I searched in the internet, made screenshots from the trailers and put them all together. 8)

this>>http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/3.1.JPG

the first picture

stevie :)

Sausehuhn
6th February 2005, 07:12 PM
You think that is a Paranha?! er...why?!?! Paranha is red and orange, not blue and orange/yellow like the ship at the picture is!
I would like to have a reason why you think this way... :?

stin
6th February 2005, 07:25 PM
oops wrong link:oops: but this is the right one


http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/ag-5Y5.JPG

The first picture I meant.

stevie :oops:

Dimension
6th February 2005, 07:29 PM
Yeah, I might have to agree with that, the emblem on the side looks very yellow :wink: Then again the ship shape (ignore that one) doesn't look like a piranha to me *shrug*

Sausehuhn
6th February 2005, 07:32 PM
No, I don't think so. There's no yellow and the design is different. I would like to know what the others here at the zone say about this.
Maybe I'm wrong. :roll:

I will watch the trailer again. Maybe I can figure out which ship it is...

edit:
Watched the trailer and I think it is AG-5Y5TEMS.

Hellfire_WZ
6th February 2005, 07:39 PM
oops wrong link:oops: but this is the right one


http://people.freenet.de/sausehuhn/wipeoutpicture/wipeoutpurescreenshots/ag-5Y5.JPG

The first picture I meant.

stevie :oops:

That's an AG-S. I think the lighting is making the emblem look more yellow than it actually is.

Shem
6th February 2005, 09:00 PM
Exactly Hellfire. I think that's AG-sys all the way.

Dimension
6th February 2005, 09:36 PM
yeah OK, I watched the trailer, that's an AG 5y5 :oops:

Sausehuhn
6th February 2005, 09:46 PM
Yes, I was not wrong!! :D :wink:

faux
8th February 2005, 03:19 AM
psp.ign.com just posted the cover art for several psp launch titles in the US--including W'O" Pure-- in which you can see the logos of all teams

Rapier Racer
8th February 2005, 10:44 AM
any chance of a link? do they have cover art for GTA?

Hellfire_WZ
8th February 2005, 04:07 PM
The link in the other topic IS the IGN pic. Sorry faux, we beat you to it. :wink:

Welcome to the forums BTW.

stin
8th February 2005, 05:03 PM
Yes, I was not wrong!! :D :wink:

Well it`s looks like a Piranha.

stevie :oops: